What is Proper time: Definition and 153 Discussions

In relativity, proper time (from Latin, meaning own time) along a timelike world line is defined as the time as measured by a clock following that line. It is thus independent of coordinates, and is a Lorentz scalar. The proper time interval between two events on a world line is the change in proper time. This interval is the quantity of interest, since proper time itself is fixed only up to an arbitrary additive constant, namely the setting of the clock at some event along the world line.
The proper time interval between two events depends not only on the events but also the world line connecting them, and hence on the motion of the clock between the events. It is expressed as an integral over the world line (analogous to arc length in Euclidean space). An accelerated clock will measure a smaller elapsed time between two events than that measured by a non-accelerated (inertial) clock between the same two events. The twin paradox is an example of this effect.

By convention, proper time is usually represented by the Greek letter τ (tau) to distinguish it from coordinate time represented by t. Coordinate time is the time between two events as measured by an observer using that observer's own method of assigning a time to an event. In the special case of an inertial observer in special relativity, the time is measured using the observer's clock and the observer's definition of simultaneity.
The concept of proper time was introduced by Hermann Minkowski in 1908, and is an important feature of Minkowski diagrams.

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    A Asymmetry parameter while relating proper time with distance

    In special relativity, we know, (proper time)^{2} = - (proper distance)^{2}. But, in Causal Dynamical Triangulations (CDT), they introduce an asymmetry parameter \alpha as, (proper time)^{2} = - \alpha (proper distance)^{2} [Q. 1] Can you please explain me about, why we need to introduce \alpha...
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    B Local/Proper Time of EM Waves: Explained

    This may be a dumb question, but some of these other thread got me wondering: is there a concept of local/proper time for electromagnetic waves? I imagine the only 'clock' that could measure time (ticks) at the speed of light would be the field oscillations.
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    A Brain Overload: Comparing Proper Time, Ephemeris Time & Coordinate Time

    Currently reading the following document which is a bit of a brain overload at the minute! Im considering Equation (4.61). It is the general relativistic correction due to the Schwarzschild field for a near Earth satellite when the parameters \beta, \;\gamma \equiv 1. However, as you will...
  4. binbagsss

    Schwarzschild spacetime proper time to fall radially inward

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  5. J

    Calculating proper time falling toward a black hole

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    I Why is proper time undefined for spacelike/lightlike paths?

    As I understand it, the proper time, ##\tau##, between to events in spacetime is defined in terms of the spacetime interval ##ds^{2}=\eta_{\mu\nu}dx^{\mu}dx^{\nu}##, such that $$d\tau =\sqrt{-ds^{2}}$$ (where we are using the "mostly +" signature with ##c=1##). Now, for time-like intervals, for...
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    I Why do particles move along longest proper time trajectories

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  8. U

    A simple Proper Time Calculation

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    I Parametrizing a path through spacetime

    It is customary, when discussing a particle's motion through spacetime, to talk about its path x^{\mu}(\lambda) , where x^{\mu} are the the spacetime coordinates of the particle in some frame, and \lambda is some parameter. I have a doubt regarding this parameter. Everywhere I've looked...
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    I Parametrisation of timelike curves using proper time

    Apologies if this is a really stupid question, but what is the exact argument for why one can use proper time to parametrise timelike curves? Is it simply that the arclength of a timelike curve is its elapsed proper time and hence we are simply parametrising the curve by its arclength? Also, is...
  11. Dyatlov

    I Time Dilation: Lorentz Transf. & Proper Time Equations

    Hello! Got a bit of an issue with thew two above mentioned equations about time. From the Lorentz transformation t' = [t - (vx)/c^2]/lorentz factor, we get that the time read by a moving observer for an event in the stationary observer's frame of reference will always be slower (longer) because...
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    What is the definition of proper time interval according to the book?

    Hi guys, I'm having trouble understanding the definition of proper time interval, according to my book (Physics for scientists and engineers with modrn physics 10th edition serway jewett) the proper time interval "is the time interval between two events measured by an observer who sees the...
  13. Lito

    Special relativity -- Proper time

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  14. MattRob

    Proper Time in Rain Frame: Exploring GR

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  15. Stephanus

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  16. Stephanus

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  17. binbagsss

    Understanding Proper Time in General Relativity & Special Relativity

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  18. binbagsss

    Ds^2 Invariant Interval: Sign Dependence?

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  19. S

    What does "invariance of proper time" mean?

    It would be better with a clear example to understand
  20. Z

    Understanding Proper Time & Equations

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  21. S

    What is the discrepancy between proper time and observed time in this scenario?

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  22. P

    Map Taking Proper Time to Euclidean Length

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    Proper Time Interval: A Puzzler

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  25. R

    About extremal aging and SR proper time

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  26. nomadreid

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  28. C

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  29. N

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    Most proper time in Schwarzchild metric

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  33. SpaceKidd_N7

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  35. D

    Proper time of a 'half-moving object'

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    Understanding Proper Time Concept in Relativity: Clock Readings and Observers

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  37. ash64449

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  38. Q

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  39. S

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  40. P

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  41. J

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    Who Measures Proper Time Interval in Astronaut Problem?

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  44. N

    The Proper Time in Lorentz Space: Is it Infinite for the Resting Twin?

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  45. N

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  47. S

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  48. S

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  49. S

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  50. K

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