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WhoWee said:regardless of what she says (IMO) the people who like her will continue to like her and the people who don't - won't.
...and this is why we can't have nice things.
WhoWee said:regardless of what she says (IMO) the people who like her will continue to like her and the people who don't - won't.
WhoWee said:Like I said - it drives them crazy - IMO.
lisab said:Actually it's more of an embarrassment. Not sure if you're aware, but she gets a *lot* of coverage in the foreign press. Egads, just what we need to add to the caricature of Americans so much of the world already believes !
mege said:People say stupid things all the time, what she is wrong about is harmless fluff. It's not like she's basing a policy decision on the history of the specifics of the Revolutionary War (see then-Speaker Nancy Pelosi expounding on the 500 million Americans that will lose their jobs because of not passing the stimulus). That mistake barely got any attention and it was made on the house floor!
Point being - everyone makes mistakes, why do we focus on fluff-mistakes for entertainment in the first place? Also, why is it worse for a conservative to make a mistake than a liberal? Can you imagine what would have happened in the media if President Bush signed the http://www.theblaze.com/stories/obama-signs-westminster-abbey-guest-book-using-2008-date/ ?
The media focus and hypocrasy that glows around stories like the Palin-Revere misspeak is upsetting.
Vanadium 50 said:I don't think that would have helped. If you remember the whole North Korea/South Korea thing, she corrected herself immediately (as in the next sentence) afterwards - but that correction never seemed to be mentioned, and when the audio was circulated, it was cut right before the correction.
Point being - everyone makes mistakes, why do we focus on fluff-mistakes for entertainment in the first place?
Also, why is it worse for a conservative to make a mistake than a liberal? Can you imagine what would have happened in the media if President Bush signed the royal guest book with the wrong year?
ideasrule said:Some mistakes are simply interesting slips of the tongue, and don't necessarily imply anything about the intelligence of the speaker. Others, like Palin's comments about the Midnight Ride, show a serious lack of understanding that's very worrying for somebody running for president.
Ivan Seeking said:There is no defense for Palin's many idiotic comments.
She isn't running for President. And even if she did, she has no chance of getting elected. Her chance has already come and gone, thank goodness!
Are you equating Obama's election with the idiocy of Sarah Palin? He's a Constitutional scholar and professor with a strong grasp of history. Palin's only claim to fame is that McCain was ignorant enough to take her on as a running-mate.drankin said:I'm not so sure. Obama got elected.
Jimmy Snyder said:People do make mistakes all the time. The more you say, the more mistakes you make. And if you are in the public eye, your mistakes get amplified. It is surprising to me that Palin would miss on a lay-up question like who is Paul Revere, but taken in isolation that mistake wouldn't sway my opinion of her. The problem is that she defended the mistake because of a technicallity. This was a disservice to herself and more importantly to the children of the country. Teachers have enough trouble as it is, they don't need this extra headache. I would suggest to Sarah that she make a video for use in schools and explain who Paul Revere was. No apologies, no mention of the mistake, just a little history video. She would gain points for free with that one.
turbo-1 said:Are you equating Obama's election with the idiocy of Sarah Palin? He's a Constitutional scholar and professor with a strong grasp of history. Palin's only claim to fame is that McCain was ignorant enough to take her on as a running-mate.
If McCain had chosen Bill Cohen or maybe Colin Powell, he would be president of the US today, IMO. Hillary Clinton had a lot of baggage and Obama was largely unknown, so I think McCain would have been a shoo-in if he had a running mate that had a track record or a public record and more than a couple firing brain-cells.
Instead, McCain picked a self-absorbed clothes-horse who self-destructed when Katy Couric asked softball questions, like what periodicals do you read. That was really sad.
ideasrule said:Some mistakes are simply interesting slips of the tongue, and don't necessarily imply anything about the intelligence of the speaker. Others, like Palin's comments about the Midnight Ride, show a serious lack of understanding that's very worrying for somebody running for president.
ideasrule said:That's hardly a fair comparison because Bush is widely considered one of the worst presidents of all time. Regardless, if Bush had signed using the wrong year, I would consider it evidence that he's not a perfect robot, not evidence that he's unfit to be president. I've often put the current year as my birthdate, so it's not a difficult mistake to make.
That...Sure that would happen, you go ahead and think that.She could say that the sky was blue and there'd still be a major story "SARAH PALIN SAYS CLOUDS DON'T EXIST" so she can't win either way.
Unfortunately, it has percolated. So that while Palin is the ultimate source of the misinformation, the kids may not necessarily hear it directly from her. There are people now determined to rewrite history. That is not Palin's fault, but is a fact that simply cannot be ignored. I don't see any downside to her making a video and setting the record straight.mege said:The children of the country? If they're getting history lessons from any politician or public figure, then we're in trouble.
Jimmy Snyder said:Unfortunately, it has percolated. So that while Palin is the ultimate source of the misinformation, the kids may not necessarily hear it directly from her. There are people now determined to rewrite history. That is not Palin's fault, but is a fact that simply cannot be ignored. I don't see any downside to her making a video and setting the record straight.
I fully agree with you, this is a serious problem and getting worse. Are you presenting this as a reason not to make the small fix that I propose?mege said:That is, http://www.nas.org/polimage.cfm?doc_Id=1983&size_code=Doc").
Jimmy Snyder said:I fully agree with you, this is a serious problem and getting worse. Are you presenting this as a reason not to make the small fix that I propose?
The video would be for distribution in schools. I am suggesting that she do it because it is the right thing to do to correct a mistake. I understand that she is a politician and her enemies will never give her an inch, but what has that got to do with it?mege said:I'm ignoring the 'Sarah Palin should make a video' comments you're making because I don't have an opinion on it. One hand, yes, fully accepting actions and correcting statements is a good thing. On the other hand, I have limited faith in it being of consequence. The lack of consequence is not because it's Sarah Palin, but because the public's attention span for any news story only extends through the initial orgasm of information.
Take this discussion for example - we've already discussed this mistep for dozens of posts. If Palin did release a video correcting her self totally and humbly, would we pay much attention to it (esspecially compared to this thread)? Very likely not, causing the earlier action to be more prevelent in our memory anyhow totally negating the effort of the 'corrective' video.
It must be nice having so many unproven assumptions to make your arguments better.Take this discussion for example - we've already discussed this mistep for dozens of posts. If Palin did release a video correcting her self totally and humbly, would we pay much attention to it (esspecially compared to this thread)? Very likely not, causing the earlier action to be more prevelent in our memory anyhow totally negating the effort of the 'corrective' video.
turbo-1 said:Are you equating Obama's election with the idiocy of Sarah Palin? He's a Constitutional scholar and professor with a strong grasp of history. Palin's only claim to fame is that McCain was ignorant enough to take her on as a running-mate.
hillzagold said:Obama graduated magna cum laude from Harvard law school, is that not enough?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jun/09/margaret-thatcher-sarah-palin-meeting
Anyways, the American right once again shows how moronically stubborn they are. Even the British right laugh at Palin's idiocy.
WhoWee said:Once more - please support your description that Obama is a "Constitutional scholar and professor with a strong grasp of history" - we discussed this in another thread last week didn't we?
As for Palin - wasn't she a mayor and a governor?
edit - I see Mege beat me to the point.
WhoWee said:Once more - please support your description that Obama is a "Constitutional scholar and professor with a strong grasp of history" - we discussed this in another thread last week didn't we?
Statement Regarding Barack Obama
The Law School has received many media requests about Barack Obama, especially about his status as "Senior Lecturer."
From 1992 until his election to the U.S. Senate in 2004, Barack Obama served as a professor in the Law School. He was a Lecturer from 1992 to 1996. He was a Senior Lecturer from 1996 to 2004, during which time he taught three courses per year. Senior Lecturers are considered to be members of the Law School faculty and are regarded as professors, although not full-time or tenure-track. The title of Senior Lecturer is distinct from the title of Lecturer, which signifies adjunct status. Like Obama, each of the Law School's Senior Lecturers has high-demand careers in politics or public service, which prevent full-time teaching. Several times during his 12 years as a professor in the Law School, Obama was invited to join the faculty in a full-time tenure-track position, but he declined.
http://www.law.uchicago.edu/media
apeiron said:Google knows the answer in 0.13 seconds...
mege said:I was going off what Wikipedia says, which doesn't make any mention of him as a Professor in the section I looked it (but it does make mention, at second look, in another section).
Even conceeding the point of President Obama's legal creditentials, at worst case, (what spurred this discussion on President Obama) Sarah Palin and President Obama were equally qualified to run for office. She still had more executive experience than him as both a Mayor and Governor, he had zero executive experience (unless you count his [strike]revolutionary[/strike] community organizer experience).
apeiron said:Speaking from the point of view of the foreign press, Obama still looks like the best President the US has had for a long time - but of course a complete lame duck because of the financial mess he inherited, the Republican control of Congress, the various oil wars the US is committed to, etc, etc.
Talk of Palin, Trump and other obvious non-entities as future Presidents seems like putting the inmates in charge of the asylum.
It would be fun to put these guys through some objective psychometric testing like you would for any serious job, let alone future leader of the free world. In the meantime, what academic heights did Palin manage to scale?
Oh, Google tells me: "Bachelor of science in communications-journalism from the University of Idaho". Yowsa!
I have to disagree with the section I bolded. They were perfectly able to act, but chose not to for political reasons. They were warned about the Fannie and Freddie insanity causing a big problem, and didn't stop it. I don't know what's worse: the left enacting such a dangerously destructive policy, or Republicans not putting a stop to it when they had the chance.mege said:Tax cuts aside (which aren't really linked to the recession in general); the financial mess is only President Bush's fault in so far as he, and the Republican congress at the time, were unable to act against the housing bubble for political reasons. If they had attempted to eliminate the subprime subsidies, it would have just been seen as an 'attack on the poor' instead of the prudence that we now see it as.
Al68 said:I have to disagree with the section I bolded. They were perfectly able to act, but chose not to for political reasons. They were warned about the Fannie and Freddie insanity causing a big problem, and didn't stop it. I don't know what's worse: the left enacting such a dangerously destructive policy, or Republicans not putting a stop to it when they had the chance.
Personally, I blame the Republicans more. Blaming Democrats for it is kind of like blaming wolves for eating sheep. Republicans are the ones that claimed to be against such insanity, then just went along with it.
You mean she should lie and pretend that she was wrong? Even NPR now is acknowledging, after a little research, that http://www.npr.org/2011/06/06/137011636/how-accurate-were-palins-comments-on-paul-revere"Jimmy Snyder said:Unfortunately, it has percolated. So that while Palin is the ultimate source of the misinformation, the kids may not necessarily hear it directly from her. There are people now determined to rewrite history. That is not Palin's fault, but is a fact that simply cannot be ignored. I don't see any downside to her making a video and setting the record straight.
Al68 said:You mean she should lie and pretend that she was wrong? Even NPR now is acknowledging, after a little research, that http://www.npr.org/2011/06/06/137011636/how-accurate-were-palins-comments-on-paul-revere"
It looks like people would check their facts before calling someone an idiot for knowing something they didn't.
BLOCK: So you think basically, on the whole, Sarah Palin got her history right.
Prof. ALLISON: Well, yeah, she did. And remember, she is a politician. She's not an historian. And God help us when historians start acting like politicians, and I suppose when politicians start writing history.
Rick Santorum said:Almost 60,000 average Americans had the courage to go out and charge those beaches on Normandy, to drop out of airplanes who knows where, and take on the battle for freedom. Average Americans. The very Americans that our government now, and this president, does not trust to make a decision on your health care plan. Those Americans risked everything so they could make that decision on their health care plan.
lisab said:I can't find that thread, do you remember which one it was? The keywords "Obama" and "constitutional" are all through P&WA.
Darn! I loved the image of Paul Revere ringin' those bells and firin' those warning shots to warn the British!BobG said:I think saying she was right is a little bit of a stretch.
turbo-1 said:Darn! I loved the image of Paul Revere ringin' those bells and firin' those warning shots to warn the British!
I'd love to hear Palin's musings on why the Little Big Horn (battle of greasy grass to the plains tribes) went so wrong for Custer. I'd never want it repeated to school-kids, but it would probably be funny for adults that enjoy studying history.
General: I gave that yell and in exactly 60 seconds we had a line.
Sherman: Would you call them 60 second men, Mr Peabody?
Mr Peabody: Of course not, Sherman. I'd call them... minutemen.