Thermodynamic differental relations problem

In summary, the conversation discusses expressing the differential changes in volume due to differential changes in temperature and pressure, and determining the fractional/relative change. It is determined that the fractional change can be written as the coefficient of thermal expansion multiplied by the change in pressure, minus the negative coefficient of isothermal compression multiplied by the change in temperature.
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Homework Statement


Assuming V is a function of P and T such that

[itex]V = V(P,T)[/itex]

express the differential changes in volume due to differential changes in Temperature and pressure, what is the fractional/relative change?


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The Attempt at a Solution


since V is a function of P and T:

[itex] dV = \frac{\partial V}{\partial T} dP + \frac{\partial V}{\partial P} dT[/itex]

so we can say:

[itex] \left[\frac{dV}{dP}\right]_T = \frac{\partial V}{\partial T}[/itex]

and

[itex] \left[\frac{dV}{dT}\right]_P = \frac{\partial V}{\partial P}[/itex]

is this correct or have i read the question wrong, I am not really sure what I'm doing.
 
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I'm not sure what you're doing either. Where does your first equation in the solution come from? Typically one writes

[tex]dV=\left(\frac{\partial V}{\partial P}\right)_T\,dP+\left(\frac{\partial V}{\partial T}\right)_P\,dT[/tex]
 
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Ah, i got it the wrong way around then. Makes slightly more sense now.

so we are looking for fractional change, ie. [itex] \frac{dV}{V}[/itex]

so if we say that:

[itex]dV=\left(\frac{\partial V}{\patial P}\right)_T dP + \left(\frac{\partial V}{\partial T}\right)_P dT[/itex]

then divide by V to get fractional change:

[itex]\frac{dV}{V}=\frac{1}{V}\left(\frac{\partial V}{\patial P}\right)_T dP + \frac{1}{V}\left(\frac{\partial V}{\partial T}\right)_P dT[/itex]

now i notice that:

[itex] \frac{1}{V}\left(\frac{\partial V}{\partial T}\right)_P[/itex] is the coeficcient of thermal expansion [itex]\alpha[/itex]

and
[itex] \frac{1}{V}\left(\frac{\partial V}{\partial P}\right)_T[/itex] is negative coeficcient of isothermal compression [itex]-\kappa_T[/itex]

so this can be re-written as:

[itex]\frac{dV}{V} = \alpha dP - \kappa_T dT[/itex]

i think this is right.
 
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Nice!
 
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Thanks for pointing that out, would have been scratching my head all night otherwise ;)
 

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Thermodynamic differential relations are mathematical equations that describe the relationships between different thermodynamic quantities, such as temperature, pressure, and volume.

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