How to tell if a function's derivative is always positive?

In summary, the conversation discusses finding the critical points of a parabola and determining the sign of its derivative between those points. The method suggested by the professor is to choose an arbitrary point between the critical points and plug it into the derivative to check its sign. Alternatively, it can be determined that the derivative is always positive between the points if the parabola is upside-down and the derivative is not 0 between those points.
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In class we were given an example where \(\displaystyle \frac{dP}{dt}=P(a-bP)\). We found the critical points to be P=0 and P=a/b. We wanted to know if the derivative is always positive or negative between the two critical points. The prof said you could pick an arbitrary point between the two, such as \(\displaystyle \frac{a}{2b}\) and plug that into the derivative and check to see if it's greater than 0. So \(\displaystyle P'(\frac{2}{2b})=\frac{a^2}{4b} > 0\).

I'm really confused and don't understand the reasoning, can someone fill in the gaps?
 
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find_the_fun said:
In class we were given an example where \(\displaystyle \frac{dP}{dt}=P(a-bP)\). We found the critical points to be P=0 and P=a/b. We wanted to know if the derivative is always positive or negative between the two critical points. The prof said you could pick an arbitrary point between the two, such as \(\displaystyle \frac{a}{2b}\) and plug that into the derivative and check to see if it's greater than 0. So \(\displaystyle P'(\frac{2}{2b})=\frac{a^2}{4b} > 0\).

I'm really confused and don't understand the reasoning, can someone fill in the gaps?

Hi find_the_fun,

\(\displaystyle P(a-bP)\) is a parabola.
Its top is between $P=0$ and $P=a/b$, and actually at $P=\frac{a}{2b}$.
Either way, the sign of the derivative, which is equal to $P(a-bP)$, between those 2 points is either always positive, or always negative.
Testing it at some point between those boundaries will tell us which it is.

Alternatively, we can see that if $b >0$, the parabola is upside-down, meaning it is always positive between the 2 points.
 
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I like Serena said:
the sign of the derivative...between those 2 points is either always positive, or always negative.

How do you know this? Is it because we know \(\displaystyle \frac{dP}{dt}\) is not 0 between the two points, therefore it can't change sign?
 
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find_the_fun said:
How do you know this? Is it because we know \(\displaystyle \frac{dP}{dt}\) is not 0 between the two points, therefore it can't change sign?

Yes.
(With the additional information that it is defined and continuous between those 2 points.)
 
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I can provide an explanation for the method suggested by your professor to determine if the derivative of a function is always positive. In the example given, the derivative of the function is represented as dP/dt, which is equal to P(a-bP). The critical points of this function are P=0 and P=a/b.

To determine if the derivative is always positive or negative between these two critical points, your professor suggested picking an arbitrary point between them, such as a/2b, and plugging it into the derivative. This means substituting P=a/2b into the derivative equation, which gives us P'(a/2b) = (a/2b)(a-b(a/2b)). Simplifying this gives us P'(a/2b) = (a^2)/4b.

The reasoning behind this method is that if the derivative at this arbitrary point, P'(a/2b), is greater than 0, then it means the derivative must be positive between the two critical points. This is because the derivative is a measure of the rate of change of the function at a specific point, and if the derivative is positive, it means the function is increasing at that point.

On the other hand, if the derivative at this arbitrary point is negative, it means the function is decreasing at that point, and therefore the derivative must be negative between the two critical points. In this way, checking the derivative at an arbitrary point allows us to determine the overall trend of the derivative between the critical points.

I hope this explanation helps to clarify the method suggested by your professor. Overall, it is a valid and commonly used approach in mathematics and science to determine the behavior of a function's derivative between critical points.
 

Related to How to tell if a function's derivative is always positive?

1. How do I know if a function's derivative is always positive?

To determine if a function's derivative is always positive, you can graph the function and observe the slope of the tangent line at various points. If the slope is consistently positive, then the derivative is always positive.

2. Can I use the first derivative test to determine if a function's derivative is always positive?

Yes, the first derivative test can be used to determine if a function's derivative is always positive. The first derivative test states that if the derivative is positive at a point, then the function is increasing at that point. Therefore, if the derivative is positive at all points, then the function is always increasing and the derivative is always positive.

3. Are there any other methods besides graphing and the first derivative test to determine if a function's derivative is always positive?

Yes, there are other methods such as the second derivative test and the sign chart method. The second derivative test involves finding the second derivative of the function and evaluating it at critical points. If the second derivative is positive at all critical points, then the function's derivative is always positive. The sign chart method involves creating a chart to track the sign of the derivative at different intervals and analyzing the results to determine if the derivative is always positive.

4. Can a function have a positive derivative at some points and a negative derivative at others?

Yes, a function can have a positive derivative at some points and a negative derivative at others. This means that the function is increasing at some points and decreasing at others. However, if the derivative is always positive, then the function will always be increasing and never decreasing.

5. Is it possible for a function to have a positive derivative but not be increasing?

No, if a function has a positive derivative, then it is always increasing. This is because the derivative represents the slope of the tangent line, and a positive slope indicates an increasing function.

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