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mheslep
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Olberman on hate TV belongs in here
"Shut the Hell up"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEBpC0GLr6Y&feature=related
"Shut the Hell up"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEBpC0GLr6Y&feature=related
mheslep said:Its all the hyperbole in there ramped up to 120dbl, same thing as Savage.
Ivan Seeking said:What I heard was factually correct.
Yes Savage is apparently much less pompous. I also see Savage has a PhD in biochem from Berkeley.Ivan Seeking said:What I saw is not even close to savage. You really can't tell the difference?
As I said its hyperbole; half of Olberman is not subject to fact checking at all as in "cold blooded murderers" and "Shut the hell up" at the end.Does Olberman tell people to open their window and scream at other people driving on the freeway, as Savage say he does [Savage sounds like a real psycho]? Did Olberman call all conservatives fascists or perverts? Does he attack education? Where do we find any attacks like this with Olberman?
What I heard was factually correct.
Savage said:Oh, so you're one of those sodomites. You should only get AIDS and die, you pig; how's that? Why don't you see if you can sue me, you pig? You got nothing better to do than to put me down, you piece of garbage? You got nothing to do today? Go eat a sausage, and choke on it. Get trichinosis. Now do we have another nice caller here who's busy because he didn't have a nice night in the bathhouse who's angry at me today? Put another, put another sodomite on...no more calls?...I don't care about these bums; they mean nothing to me. They're all sausages.
Never said the two were the same. Yes that's some Bronx style street vulgarity from Savage, offensive or at least boring. Olberman's offensive in another way. If you think you're going to convince me Olbernan's rants and his regular "worst person in the world" are not offensive, for other reasons, you are wasting your time.Gokul43201 said:This comparison between Olbermann and Savage is completely ridiculous! mheslep, did you watch the clip posted in one of the early posts?
Or try this one. Savage's response to a prank caller who identified himself as gay and poked fun at Savage's teeth:
http://www.yourdailymedia.com/media/1166879684/The_Call_That_Got_Michael_Savage_Fired
Please let's not confuse bigotry with slang.mheslep said:Yes that's some Bronx style street vulgarity from Savage, offensive or at least boring.
From Berkeley? He chose to go to what is arguably the most liberal campus in the entire country? Does Savage actually have a far left background that he wishes to hide?mheslep said:Yes Savage is apparently much less pompous. I also see Savage has a PhD in biochem from Berkeley.
I don't think I have. The street stuff you can commonly hear in parts of NY wouldn't pass off as just slang.Gokul43201 said:Please let's not confuse bigotry with slang.
seycyrus said:Well that certainly is a stupid bumper sticker.
That's simply announcing to the world that you have already been brainwashed.
Gokul43201 said:Not only is he a loudmouthed bigot who appears to be hiding a liberal past, but he's also a crackpot and a quack.
drankin said:This is liberal extremism. As Dr Savage points out, that mindset is a mental disorder. English want to be English, Irish want to be Irish, French want to continue being French, Americans want to be Americans, Iranians want to be Iranians... take away their borders and they lose their culture, their identity, their government and their language. Your idea, though ideal in a strange sort of way, is not even close to reality.
Poop-Loops said:Why would you be for a war?
Poop-Loops said:The last time a US war was justified was WW2 and that was because we were attacked by an actual country first, and Europe had already been ravaged..
seycyrus said:The bumper sticker implies a certain foreknowledge about the events involved in the next *war*. Does it not?
Can these people tell the future?
I think it is fair to say that certain judgements have been made about the participants.
You are aware that there are people who will make claims that the US was the actual instigator of hostilities in WW2?
I do not hold that point of view, nor am I here to argue that position, rather I am pointing out that such theories do exist.
It is my contention that the people who support such ideas are the same ones that would sport a bumper sticker that says "I am already against the next war."
The implied "no matter what", is the troubling part.
How was the US declaration of war on Germany justified? Germany did not attack the US prior to the US entry, shipping to support Germany's enemy Britain aside.Poop-Loops said:Why would you be for a war? The last time a US war was justified was WW2 and that was because we were attacked by an actual country first, and Europe had already been ravaged.
Poop-Loops said:The idea that French want to be French and Irish want to be Irish and English want to be English is a completely manufactured and arbitrary labeling of those people. Jesus Christ, do you have any idea how frickin' TINY England and Ireland are? You take away the border and nobody would care.
mheslep said:How was the US declaration of war on Germany justified? Germany did not attack the US prior to the US entry, shipping to support Germany's enemy Britain aside.
Poop-Loops said:I'm still not understanding. There IS a foreknowledge of the next war. People will die, innocent people, economies will be ravaged, and pain all around. No matter what else, we can all agree that those things are bad.
Poop-Loops said:That's fascinating. What does it have to do with anything here?
Poop-Loops said:Your contention is the problem. I am already against the next war and I don't believe in those "theories" you were talking about. Oops.
Poop-Loops said:No matter what, war is bad. How you can say otherwise is unimaginable to me.
Poop-Loops said:Okay, so when's the last war that WAS justified then? Why would someone not be against future wars?
mheslep said:How was the US declaration of war on Germany justified? Germany did not attack the US prior to the US entry, shipping to support Germany's enemy Britain aside.
seycyrus said:The bumper sticker implies a certain foreknowledge about the events involved in the next *war*. Does it not?
Can these people tell the future?
I think it is fair to say that certain judgements have been made about the participant
chemisttree said:Some even believe that we should not have a war against poverty or be at war with terrorists because war is not the perfect instrument. That's OK, keep waiting for the perfect instrument. It's juuust around the corner...
Poop-Loops said:It was better than not going to war, but it wasn't *good*.
edward said:No they can't tell about the future, yet the past appears to be about to repeat itself.
edward said:I think we can safely assume that the people who buy these stickers are not thinking about WWII.
edward said:The Iran situation is constantly in the news. Threats and warnings by the Bush Administration have made it clear where the next war will be.
edward said:The bogus war in Iraq makes people want to be damn sure about what country we attack next.
seycyrus said:Seeing as Bush is not goign to be in office and is not in a position to invade Iran, one can safely say that will not be attacking Iran under the same conditions.
I think it is safe to assume that these people are not thinking, period.
The Iran situation is not all about it's interactions with the US. The UN in general, and the IAEA specifically, has voiced many concerns over Iran's conduct. not to mention many other countries.
Make damn sure? That goes against the implied *no matter what*.
Poop-Loops said:This is exactly how Iraq started, so I don't know what you are talking about. Moreover, you have McCain wanting to keep the Bush Legacy alive. Besides that, there's several month so of Bush left.
Poop-Loops said:Sure. Saying they want to destroy Israel is far-out on the loon radar, but what have they actually done to threaten anybody? They stopped their nuclear program, and so far there is absolutely zero evidence of them meddling in Iraq. (providing weapons, at least) Is there anything I haven't heard of that is cause for concern? This is an honest question, by the way, I'd just like to know.
seycyrus said:They stopped the nuclear program they claimed *never existed*, and now claim that other programs *don't exist*.
That doesn't strike you as cause for concern? Please note, that the IAEA has not cleared them of transgressions.
There is FAR from zero evidence of them meddling in Iraq. The one recent news story absolved them of being involved in ONE incident, it said nothing about the others. There are plenty of reports from soldiers (at all levels) stating that Iran is providing weapons to dissidents in Iraq. It's even on NPR.
But again, that is besides the point. The bumper sticker crowd is against the next war, no matter what!
Poop-Loops said:I'm not following you. We found out they lied about something, so clearly they must be lying about everything else.
No, seriously, how does that logic go? You ask your friend for $5, he says he doesn't have any money on him, but you find $5 on him, then ask for $100000000000 and he says he doesn't have it again, so therefore he must have it?
Poop-Loops said:Sources? I can't imagine guys carrying Iranian flags running around all over Iraq, so how exactly do these soldiers know where they are from? Captured prisoners?
Poop-Loops said:You keep saying that but never actually connect to why that is wrong.
It was the other way around, Germany declared war on the US.mheslep said:How was the US declaration of war on Germany justified? Germany did not attack the US prior to the US entry, shipping to support Germany's enemy Britain aside.
seycyrus said:I must seriously ask why you felt the desire to increase the sum of money in your example. Are you trying to lend credence to your argument by use of exageration?
We are talking about nuclear programs, past and present. Your example would have been more properly illustrated if you had used equivalent amounts of money.
Here is a better example and I will not have to resort to ludicrous exageration to fluff my point.
A few years ago you had suspicions that the guy in the trailer across the street was operating a meth lab. He says he never, ever, ever had one. The police bust his place find some traces of stuff, but say that stopped producing a year ago.
You now have suspicions, and the police have suspicions that he is once again operating a meth lab. He says, he would never, ever, ever do that...
Your call.
Munitions have certain tell-tale signs indicating where they were produced. Go see the Iron Man movie. The exact flow is difficult to trace, but there are people who know about such things.
As I mentioned, I hear references to reports on NPR as well as CNN. I certainly do not have specifics of when/where I heard the stuff on the radio.
I shall try to be civil and reanswer this point even tho I feel like I have made my position clear.
I am against the fact that this bumper sticker implies a course of action *no matter what*. To me the bumper sticker implies a foreknowledge that the US will be on the *wrong* side of the next conflict, *no matter what*.
To me that implies a certain anti-US sentiment. The *no matter what* part. No matter what, the US will be wrong...
If that is indeed what it is implying, then it IS certainly an unpatriotic sticker.
On a related note. There was some discussion raised by an article in the NY Times about the US using military might to force the Myanmar govt. to accept aid to it's people.
Poop-Loops said:ZOMG YOU'RE RIGHT! He's guilty until proven innocent! WHY DIDN'T I THINK OF THAT??.
Poop-Loops said:That's all you have to go by? Suspicions? What evidence do you actually have of Iran doing anything sinister
Poop-Loops said:Then don't bother citing it. I can say I heard as well that every single claim against Iran has been proven false. But I don't remember where I got that claim from. Oops, I guess we are on equal footing!
Poop-Loops said:There's a right side to a war?
Poop-Loops said:I'm still not understanding where you get the "no matter what" part from. It doesn't say so on the sticker,...
Poop-Loops said:and anything implied comes from the fact that, you'd better sit down now, WARS ARE BAD!
Poop-Loops said:I bet those people don't wear flag lapel pins, either.!
Poop-Loops said:That's not exactly a war now, is it? We don't have an enemy we need to destroy, we just have a fly in our ointment we are annoyed by. Myanmar doesn't want to kill us any more than we want to kill them!