Stuck on what appears to be simple ODE

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In summary: Just realized I made a LaTeX error. Should bey={C}_{1}\exp \left(\frac{1+i}{\sqrt{2}}x\right)+{C}_{2}\exp \left(\frac{1-i}{\sqrt{2}}x\right)+{C}_{3}\exp \left(-\frac{1+i}{\sqrt{2}}x\right)+{C}_{4}\exp \left(\frac{i-1}{\sqrt{2}}x\right)and you may want to use euler's formula to put in some trigonometric functions there.
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I am completely stuck on where to go with the following ODE:

(D^4 + 1)y = 0 where D=d/dx

I know that trying y=e^(rt) is the obvious solution, however, when you solve this you get r^2 = +-i. At this point I am unsure of what to do becuase if I take the square root of "i" I am unsure of how I will represent it in a general solution. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated, thanks!
 
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An equation like r^4+1=0 means that there are 4 solutions. Instead of putting r^2=+/-i, you can look at r^2=e^(pi/2)*i or e^(3pi/2)*i. Taking the square root, you simply get r=+/-e^(pi/4)*i or +/-e^(3pi/4)*i.

The trick is to put it in the phase explicitly, so that you have an answer.
 
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(D^4 + 1)=(D^2+sqrt(2)D+1)(D^2-sqrt(2)D+1)
=(D^2+i)(D^2-i)=(D-√ i)(D+√ i)(D-√- i)(D+√- i)
So write a solution in terms of complex exponentials or products of exponentials and trigonometric functions like (e^r x)cos(a x) according to preference.
 
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Airsteve0 said:
I am completely stuck on where to go with the following ODE:

(D^4 + 1)y = 0 where D=d/dx

I know that trying y=e^(rt) is the obvious solution, however, when you solve this you get r^2 = +-i. At this point I am unsure of what to do becuase if I take the square root of "i" I am unsure of how I will represent it in a general solution. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated, thanks!

[tex]\frac{{\mbox{d}}^{4}y}{{\mbox{d}}^{4}x}+y=0[/tex]

[tex]y={e}^{rx}[/tex]

[tex]{r}^{4}+1=0[/tex]

[tex]{r}^{2}=\pm i [/tex]

[tex] r=\pm\frac{1\pm i}{\sqrt{2}}[/tex]

[tex]y={C}_{1}\exp \left(\frac{1+i}{\sqrt{2}}\right)+{C}_{2}\exp \left(\frac{1-i}{\sqrt{2}}\right)+{C}_{3}\exp \left(-\frac{1+i}{\sqrt{2}}\right)+{C}_{4}\exp \left(\frac{i-1}{\sqrt{2}}\right)[/tex]

We can solve for the specific solution for y if and only if we know y(0), y'(0), y''(0), y'''(0) and y''''(0)
 
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thanks everyone, I greatly appreciate the help!
 
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Airsteve0 said:
thanks everyone, I greatly appreciate the help!

Just realized I made a LaTeX error. Should be

[tex]y={C}_{1}\exp \left(\frac{1+i}{\sqrt{2}}x\right)+{C}_{2}\exp \left(\frac{1-i}{\sqrt{2}}x\right)+{C}_{3}\exp \left(-\frac{1+i}{\sqrt{2}}x\right)+{C}_{4}\exp \left(\frac{i-1}{\sqrt{2}}x\right)[/tex]

and you may want to use euler's formula to put in some trigonometric functions there.
 

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1. What is an ODE?

An ODE (ordinary differential equation) is a mathematical equation that relates a function to its derivatives. It is commonly used to describe the behavior of continuously changing systems.

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