Solving Diff Eq Tired Spring Problem: Find Min k for y(x) Cross y=0

In summary, the conversation discusses finding the minimum positive value of the constant k in a function y(x) that will ensure the function does not continuously increase towards large x values, but instead crosses y=0 occasionally. The conversation suggests using a change of variable and transforming t=ln(x) to reduce the equation to a constant coefficients equation, with the characteristic equation being the same as the one obtained by trying y=x^m. This allows for complex solutions, which can be solved using the substitution t=ln(x) and then replacing t with ln(x) in the final solution.
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Homework Statement


Determine the minimum positive value of the constant k needed to ensure that the function y(x) obeying

x^2 y'' + K y = 0, y(1) = 0, y'(1)=1

will not simply keep on increasing toward large x but will instead return to cross y=o ocassionally

The Attempt at a Solution


So far I've tried doing a change of variable and trnasform t= ln(X). The idea is that I should get a constant coefficient equation but do not know how to get there yet.
I have tried using the chain rule twice to get from d^2y/dx^2 to d^2y/dt^2 but as said I do not seem to make any progress. Any ideas please?
 
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Use the trial solution [tex]y=x^m[/tex]
 
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That's an "Euler type" equation. As rock.freak667 said, you can reduce to the "characteristic equation" by trying y= xm. However, I suspect that equation will have complex solutions and it's not clear how to reduce that to real solutions to the d.e.

Yes, you can always reduce an "Euler type" equation to a constant coefficients equation by the substitution t= ln(x). You use the chain rule to change:
[tex]\frac{dy}{dx}= \frac{dy}{dt}\frac{dt}{dx}= \frac{1}{t}\frac{dy}{dt}[/tex]
[tex]\frac{d^2y}{dx^2}= \frac{d }{dx}\left(\frac{1}{t}\frac{dy}{dt}\right)[/tex]
[tex]= \frac{1}{t}\frac{d }{dt}\left(\frac{1}{t}\frac{dy}{dt}\right)[/tex]
In fact, the characteristic equation for the constant coefficients equation you get this way is exactly the same as the equation you get by trying y= xm but now you know that t= ln(x) so you can see what to do with complex solutions- exactly what you would do for a constant coefficients equation and then replace t by ln(x).
 
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Related to Solving Diff Eq Tired Spring Problem: Find Min k for y(x) Cross y=0

What is a differential equation?

A differential equation is a mathematical equation that describes the relationship between a function and its derivatives. It is used to model various physical phenomena and is commonly used in physics, engineering, and other sciences.

What is a tired spring problem?

A tired spring problem is a type of differential equation that models the behavior of a spring as it loses its elasticity over time. This is often represented by a parameter, k, which represents the stiffness of the spring. As k decreases, the spring becomes more "tired" and its behavior changes.

How do you solve a tired spring problem?

To solve a tired spring problem, you can use the general solution to a second-order linear differential equation, which is y(x) = c1e^(r1x) + c2e^(r2x), where c1 and c2 are constants and r1 and r2 are the roots of the characteristic equation. You can then use initial conditions or boundary conditions to determine the specific values of c1 and c2.

What is the significance of finding the minimum k for y(x) crossing y=0 in a tired spring problem?

The minimum k represents the point at which the spring loses all of its elasticity and can no longer return to its original position. This is an important concept in physics and engineering, as it helps determine the maximum load that a spring can withstand before failing.

How can the solution to a tired spring problem be applied to real-world situations?

The solution to a tired spring problem can be applied to various real-world situations where there are systems that exhibit loss of elasticity over time. This can include mechanical systems such as springs, as well as biological systems like muscle fibers. Understanding the behavior of these systems can help in designing more efficient and durable structures.

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