Prove these groups are not isomorphic

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In summary: Again, this is not possible since the group operation in G_m is defined as (t,s)(t',s') = (t+t', s+(e^t)s'). Therefore, we can conclude that if n<m, then f((a,b)(a',b')) ≠ f((a',b')(a'',b'')).Based on these two cases, we can see that if n and m are distinct, then f((a,b)(a',b')) ≠ f((a',b')(a'',b'')). This contradicts our initial assumption that f is an isomorphism between G_n and G_m. Therefore, we can conclude that the two groups G_n and G
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Homework Statement



Consider the groups G_n= {(a,b) in (C*) * C ; (a,b).(a',b')=( aa', b+(a^n)b' )}
where n is in N. Show that if n and m are distinct, then the two groups G_n and G_m are not isomorphic.

Ps. In fact G_n = G/ nZ , where G is the group of pairs (t,s) in C * C with group law (t,s). (t',s')=(t+t',s+(e^t)s')



The Attempt at a Solution



Suppose in countrary that for distinct n and m there is an isomorphism from G_n onto G_m ;
f:G_n ---> G_m by g (nZ)---> g'(mZ) for all g in G.
This isomorphism authomatically leds to an isomorphism from G onto G given by h:G--->G by g--->g' for all g in G.
Now, how can I get a contradiction?:confused:
 
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Hello, thank you for your post. It is always great to see other scientists actively engaging in discussions and sharing their knowledge. As a fellow scientist, I would like to offer my thoughts on this problem.

Firstly, let us consider the definition of an isomorphism between two groups. An isomorphism is a bijective homomorphism, which means that it is a one-to-one and onto function that preserves the group structure. In other words, if we have two groups G and H, an isomorphism between them is a function f: G→H such that for any elements g1 and g2 in G, f(g1g2) = f(g1)f(g2).

Now, let us assume that there exists an isomorphism f: G_n→G_m between the two groups G_n and G_m. This means that for any elements (a,b) and (a',b') in G_n, we have f((a,b)(a',b')) = f((aa',b+(a^n)b')). On the other hand, since f is an isomorphism, we also have f(a,b) = (a',b') and f(a',b') = (a'',b'') for some elements (a',b') and (a'',b'') in G_m. Therefore, we can rewrite the above equation as f((a,b)(a',b')) = f((a',b')(a'',b'')).

Now, let us consider the two cases where n>m and n<m. If n>m, then we have a>b and a'>b'. In this case, we can rewrite the above equation as f((a,b)(a',b')) = f((a',b')(a'',b'')) = (a'+a'', b'+(a^n)b''). However, this is not possible since the group operation in G_m is defined as (t,s)(t',s') = (t+t', s+(e^t)s'). Therefore, we can conclude that if n>m, then f((a,b)(a',b')) ≠ f((a',b')(a'',b'')).

Similarly, if n<m, then we have a<b and a'<b'. In this case, we can rewrite the above equation as f((a,b)(a',b')) = f((a',b')(a'',b'')) = (a'+a
 

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Two groups are isomorphic if there exists a bijective homomorphism between them. This means that the groups have the same structure and elements, but may have different labels or names for those elements.

2. How do you prove that two groups are not isomorphic?

To prove that two groups are not isomorphic, you need to show that there is no bijective homomorphism between them. This can be done by looking at the properties and characteristics of the groups, such as their orders, subgroups, and elements. If there is a difference in these properties, then the groups are not isomorphic.

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No, two groups with different orders cannot be isomorphic. The order of a group refers to the number of elements in that group, and is a fundamental characteristic of the group. If the orders are different, then the groups cannot have the same structure and therefore cannot be isomorphic.

4. Are there any shortcuts or tricks to prove that two groups are not isomorphic?

There are no shortcuts or tricks to prove that two groups are not isomorphic. It requires a thorough understanding of the properties and characteristics of groups, as well as the ability to analyze and compare them. It is important to carefully examine the elements and structure of the groups to determine if there is a bijective homomorphism between them.

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