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In summary, the conversation discusses the concept of cyclic groups and how isomorphism can be used to show that if one group is cyclic, then another group that is isomorphic to it is also cyclic. The idea is to define a group as cyclic if for all b in G, there exists an a such that a^n = b for some integer n. By using an isomorphism, it is shown that G' is also cyclic. The proof is based on surjectivity and the fact that subgroups of cyclic groups are also cyclic.
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This would seem to be very easy problem, since it's intuitively obvious that if two groups are isomorphic, and one is cyclic, then the other is cyclic too. However, I can't seem to formalize it with math.

Here is an idea. We can define that a group is cyclic by saying that for all b in G, there exists an a such that ##a^n = b## for some integer n. Now if G is cyclic, and we have an isomorphism ##\phi## from G to G', then it is true that ##\phi (a) ^n = \phi (b) = b'##, which means that G' is also cyclic. Does this sketch of a proof the right idea?
 
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Mr Davis 97 said:

Homework Statement


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The Attempt at a Solution


This would seem to be very easy problem, since it's intuitively obvious that if two groups are isomorphic, and one is cyclic, then the other is cyclic too. However, I can't seem to formalize it with math.

Here is an idea. We can define that a group is cyclic by saying that for all b in G, there exists an a such that ##a^n = b## for some integer n. Now if G is cyclic, and we have an isomorphism ##\phi## from G to G', then it is true that ##\phi (a) ^n = \phi (b) = b'##, which means that G' is also cyclic. Does this sketch of a proof the right idea?
Yes it is. You can leave out the ##b's## as you don't need them, the generator ##a## is sufficient, i.e. simply write ##a^n##. It doesn't need to be named. And you may forget the isomorphism, surjectivity is sufficient. And subgroups of cyclic groups are also cyclic.
 

Related to If G is cyclic, and G is isomorphic to G', then G' is cycli

1. What does it mean for a group to be cyclic?

A cyclic group is a group in which every element can be generated by repeatedly applying a single element, called a generator. This means that the group can be written as a group of powers of this generator.

2. How can you prove that a group is cyclic?

In order to prove that a group is cyclic, you need to show that there exists an element in the group that can generate all other elements through repeated application. This can be done by showing that this element has no other factors besides itself and the identity element, and that it can generate all other elements in the group.

3. What is an isomorphic group?

An isomorphic group is a group that has the same structure as another group, meaning that the elements and operations are the same. The only difference is in the labeling or naming of the elements.

4. How can you prove that two groups are isomorphic?

In order to prove that two groups are isomorphic, you need to show that there exists a bijective function, or a one-to-one mapping, between the elements of the two groups. This function should also preserve the group structure, meaning that the operation in one group corresponds to the operation in the other group.

5. How does the statement "If G is cyclic, and G is isomorphic to G', then G' is cyclic" relate to cyclic groups?

This statement relates to the idea that the structure of a group is preserved under isomorphism. If a group is cyclic, meaning it can be generated by a single element, and it is isomorphic to another group, then this other group must also be cyclic. This is because the isomorphism preserves the structure of the group, so if one group is cyclic, then the other must also have the same property.

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