Litle help with perturbation theory

In summary: Then,after the perturbation is applied, one can show that the wave-function of thedegenerate unperturbed state is the same as the wave-function of theunperturbed state with the additional label.
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baranas
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Why when we analyse time dependant perturbation theory, we take that the diagonal elements of matrix <i|W(t)|j> are equal to zero?
Why in degenerate perturbation theory we assume that perturbed wavefunctions of degenerate states can be expressed in the base of unperturbed wavefunctions of degenerate states and deny other functions?



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baranas said:
Why when we analyse time dependant perturbation theory, we take that the diagonal elements of matrix <i|W(t)|j> are equal to zero?
Why in degenerate perturbation theory we assume that perturbed wavefunctions of degenerate states can be expressed in the base of unperturbed wavefunctions of degenerate states and deny other functions?

I'm not sure I understand your question, but I think the answer is:
"because we're assuming that the set of all eigenstates of the
unperturbed Hamiltonian is a basis for the Hilbert space".

(If that doesn't make sense, then I guess I didn't understand
the question properly.)
 
  • #3
strangerep said:
I'm not sure I understand your question, but I think the answer is:
"because we're assuming that the set of all eigenstates of the
unperturbed Hamiltonian is a basis for the Hilbert space".

No, the problem is that in degenerate perturbation theory we take the basis for our perturbed state function only the wave-functions of degenerate states from unperturbed system and skip others, which belong to nendegenerate states.

H0[itex]\phi[/itex]0n=E0n[itex]\phi[/itex]0n

Assume that we have r degenerate states E0f[itex]\rightarrow[/itex][itex]\phi[/itex]0fa, with a=1,2,3...r. The question is why do we assume, that a wave-function after perturbation will be in the form
[itex]\Psi[/itex]na=[itex]\sum[/itex]cb[itex]\phi[/itex]0fb and skip the part [itex]\sum[/itex]cn[itex]\phi[/itex]0n of nondegenerate functions
 
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baranas said:
No, the problem is that in degenerate perturbation theory we take the basis for our perturbed state function only the wave-functions of degenerate states from unperturbed system and skip others, which belong to nondegenerate states.

In Ballentine, "QM - A Modern Development", sect 10.5, pp284-285, one starts with a full set of (unperturbed) states, with an additional label to represent any degeneracies. Then one derives an equation involving only the degenerate unperturbed states belonging to a
particular unperturbed energy. [See Ballentine's eq(10.92) and discussion leading to it.]

So we haven't "skipped" the others. They're still there, but we derived an extra
condition that allows the perturbation procedure to go ahead.
 

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1. What is perturbation theory?

Perturbation theory is a method used in physics and mathematics to approximate solutions to problems that cannot be solved exactly. It involves breaking down a complex system into a simpler one that can be solved, and then adding small corrections to improve the accuracy of the solution.

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Perturbation theory is widely used in physics, chemistry, and engineering to solve problems involving small changes or disturbances in a system. It is particularly useful in analyzing systems that are difficult to solve using other methods, such as quantum mechanics and fluid dynamics.

3. What are the limitations of perturbation theory?

Perturbation theory is most effective for small perturbations and may not provide accurate results for larger perturbations. It also assumes that the system is linear, which may not be the case for all systems. In addition, perturbation theory can be time-consuming and may not always provide exact solutions.

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