Find this integral in terms of the given integrals

In summary, the conversation discusses how to solve the second integral in terms of the given value a by using the substitution u = t - b + 1 and manipulating the given integral. The conversation also mentions the importance of getting the limits of integration right and the usefulness of getting rid of constants in the denominator.
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Homework Statement


If [itex] \displaystyle \int_0^1 \dfrac{e^t}{t+1} dt = a[/itex] then [itex]\displaystyle \int_{b-1}^b \dfrac{e^{-t}}{t-b-1} dt [/itex] is equal to

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I used the definite integral property in the second integral

[itex]\displaystyle \int_{b-1}^b \dfrac{e^{-2b-1-t}}{b-2-t} dt [/itex]
 
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They want you to solve the second integral in terms of the a they gave you.

Try making the substitution u = t - b + 1 in the second integral.
 
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brmath said:
They want you to solve the second integral in terms of the a they gave you.

Try making the substitution u = t - b + 1 in the second integral.

Thanks. But how did it occur to you that u=t-b+1 would be a good idea?
 
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utkarshakash said:
Thanks. But how did it occur to you that u=t-b+1 would be a good idea?

You need to change the limits to 0 and 1. So our aim is to find a substitution that would do this job.
 
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utkarshakash said:
Thanks. But how did it occur to you that u=t-b+1 would be a good idea?

Well, I was trying to change your second integral so it would look more like the first. In general it is useful to get rid of the constants in the denominator. And as Pranav-Arora points out that formula is handy for getting the limits of integration right.

The problem now is that with the change u = t - b + 1 you don't have the right denominator. And if you set up u to get u + 1 in the denominator you don't have the right limits of integration.

So I'm not sure this trick is the right approach. I'll think about it some more.
 
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brmath said:
Well, I was trying to change your second integral so it would look more like the first. In general it is useful to get rid of the constants in the denominator. And as Pranav-Arora points out that formula is handy for getting the limits of integration right.

The problem now is that with the change u = t - b + 1 you don't have the right denominator. And if you set up u to get u + 1 in the denominator you don't have the right limits of integration.

So I'm not sure this trick is the right approach. I'll think about it some more.

Your substitution is OK, you need to play with the given integral.

$$ \int_0^1 \dfrac{e^t}{t+1} dt = \int_0^1 \dfrac{e^{1-t}}{2-t} dt$$

Do you see now?
 
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Pranav-Arora said:
Your substitution is OK, you need to play with the given integral.

$$ \int_0^1 \dfrac{e^t}{t+1} dt = \int_0^1 \dfrac{e^{1-t}}{2-t} dt$$

Do you see now?

Yes, after all that I made the wrong substitution in the e##^{-t}##. Thank you for your help.
 
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1. What does it mean to "find an integral in terms of given integrals?"

Finding an integral in terms of given integrals means expressing a given integral in a different form using known integrals. This can be done by using integration rules and techniques, such as substitution or integration by parts.

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