Exploring the Possibilities of Negative Mass

In summary, according to the author, negative mass has been discussed in the physics literature and could lead to absurdities such as a negative mass moon orbiting the earth. However, all energy and momentum are conserved, so in the long run the earth would still be pushed away from the moon.
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Brane Dead
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Anyone tried to imagine a world with negative mass? A mixed world of normal mass and negative mass does not seem so bad in the sense that a negative mass moon would surprisingly still orbit the earth! Might be problems in making atoms though...
 
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Brane Dead said:
Anyone tried to imagine a world with negative mass? A mixed world of normal mass and negative mass does not seem so bad in the sense that a negative mass moon would surprisingly still orbit the earth! Might be problems in making atoms though...

Negative mass has been discussed in the physics literature. Some describe the accelerating expansion of the universe to be due to negative mass (and that mass is called "cosmological constant" matter or "dark energy").

There was a well known article on this subject published back in 1957

"Negative Mass in General Relativity," H. Bondi, Reviews of Modern Physics, Vol. 29 ,No. 3, pp 423-428 (1957)

Pete
 
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If the Moon had a negative mass, but the Earth a positive one, then the force of gravity between them would be a repulsive one - the Moon would be pushed farther and farther away. I don't see why the O.P. said it would still orbit - unless he meant that the Earth would have a negative mass as well.
 
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ceptimus said:
If the Moon had a negative mass, but the Earth a positive one, then the force of gravity between them would be a repulsive one - the Moon would be pushed farther and farther away. I don't see why the O.P. said it would still orbit - unless he meant that the Earth would have a negative mass as well.

The force would be repulsive, but acting on a negative mass it would accelerate the moon towards the Earth.
 
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chronon said:
The force would be repulsive, but acting on a negative mass it would accelerate the moon towards the Earth.

Hmmmm... I get it. But it would still push the Earth away from the moon. Right?

In fact this leads to a seeming absurdity. If two bodies had no initial relative velocity, then the negative mass one would fall towards the positive mass, while the positive mass would 'fall' away from the negative one.

If the two masses had the same magnitude, but opposite signs, they would maintain their initial separation, while accelerating away across the universe.
 
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ceptimus said:
Hmmmm... I get it. But it would still push the Earth away from the moon. Right?

Right.

ceptimus said:
If the two masses had the same magnitude, but opposite signs, they would maintain their initial separation, while accelerating away across the universe.

Yes, but of course their total kinetic energy would remain zero, (since their total mass would be zero).

I had a look on the web and found the following page on this subject

http://www.concentric.net/~pvb/negmass.html
 
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ceptimus said:
Hmmmm... I get it. But it would still push the Earth away from the moon. Right?

In fact this leads to a seeming absurdity. If two bodies had no initial relative velocity, then the negative mass one would fall towards the positive mass, while the positive mass would 'fall' away from the negative one.

If the two masses had the same magnitude, but opposite signs, they would maintain their initial separation, while accelerating away across the universe.

Yes, though you would need perfect balance to keep one object from accelerating more than the other. As others have pointed out, both momentum and energy are conserved, because the positive energy and momentum of the positive mass is exactly balanced by the negative energy and momentum of the negative mass.

There are more/similar absurdities in sight, though. Gas made out of negative mass matter (usually called exotic matter) would have a negative temperature. This would mean, thermodynamically, that a gas made out of exotic matter interacting with a gas made out of normal matter would lead to a runaway situation - the gas with the normal matter would gain a large amount of positive energy, the gas with the exotic matter would gain a large amount of negative energy.

See for instance the sci.physics.faq on negative temperature


here

(it doesn't talk about negative mass, just negative temperature).

For a while I thought this situation meant that negative mass would violate the second law of thermodynamics, but that's not quite right. It does lead to the runaway situation I described, but this sort of runaway doesn't violate the second law, if you read the fine print...
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Related to Exploring the Possibilities of Negative Mass

1. What is negative mass?

Negative mass is a hypothetical concept in physics where mass has a negative value instead of a positive value. This means that it would have the opposite properties of regular matter, such as repelling instead of attracting other objects.

2. Is negative mass possible?

Currently, there is no evidence to support the existence of negative mass in our universe. It is purely a theoretical concept and has not been observed or created in any experiments.

3. What are the potential applications of negative mass?

If negative mass were to exist, it could potentially have practical applications in areas such as propulsion systems for space travel or creating artificial gravity. However, more research and understanding of negative mass would need to be established before these applications could become a reality.

4. How does negative mass relate to theories like dark matter and dark energy?

Negative mass is often discussed in relation to dark matter and dark energy because it could potentially explain the phenomena that these theories seek to understand. However, it is important to note that negative mass is just one of many proposed explanations and there is no conclusive evidence to support any of these theories.

5. What are the challenges in exploring the possibilities of negative mass?

One of the biggest challenges in exploring negative mass is the lack of concrete evidence or understanding of its properties. Theoretical physicists continue to study and debate the concept, but until it can be observed or created in experiments, its possibilities will remain largely speculative.

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