Deriving Maxwell's equations from the Lagrangian

In summary, the conversation discusses how to take the partial derivative of the Lagrangian with respect to ##\partial(\partial_\mu \mathcal{A}_\nu)## using the relations ##\frac{\partial}{\partial(\partial_\mu \mathcal{A}_\nu)}(\partial_i \mathcal{A}_j) = \delta^i_\mu \delta^j_\nu## and the chain rule. After expanding and using the chain rule, the partial derivative of the first term in the Lagrangian is found to be ##-\partial^\mu \mathcal{A}^\nu## and the partial derivative of the second term is ##\partial_\rho \mathcal{A}
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Homework Statement
Given ##\mathcal{L} = -\frac{1}{2}(\partial_\mu \mathcal{A}_\nu)(\partial^\mu \mathcal{A}^\nu)+\frac{1}{2}(\partial_\mu \mathcal{A}^\mu)^2##, compute ##\frac{\partial{\mathcal{L}}}{\partial(\partial_\mu \mathcal{A}_\nu)}##.
Relevant Equations
Euler-Lagrange equations of motion.
This isn't a homework problem (it's an example from David Tong's QFT notes where I didn't understand the steps he took), but I am confused as to how exactly to take the partial derivative of the Lagrangian with respect to ##\partial(\partial_\mu \mathcal{A}_\nu)##. (Note the answer is: ##-\partial^\mu \mathcal{A}^\nu+(\partial_\rho \mathcal{A}^\rho)\eta^{\mu \nu}##)
 
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Write ##(\partial_\mu \mathcal{A}_\nu)(\partial^\mu \mathcal{A}^\nu) = (\partial_\lambda
\mathcal{A}_\rho)(\partial_\sigma \mathcal{A}_\tau) \eta^{\sigma \lambda} \eta^{\tau \rho}## and use the relations ##\frac{\partial}{\partial(\partial_\mu \mathcal{A}_\nu)}(\partial_i \mathcal{A}_j) = \delta^i_\mu \delta^j_\nu## to show that the partial of the first term of ##\mathcal{L}## with respect to ##\partial_\mu \mathcal{A}_\nu## is ##-\partial^\mu \mathcal{A}^\nu##.

Similarly write ##(\partial_\mu \mathcal{A}^\mu)^2 = (\partial_\rho A_\sigma \cdot \eta^{\rho \sigma})^2## and use the chain rule to get that the partial of the second term of ##\mathcal{L}## with respect to ##\partial_\mu \mathcal{A}_\nu## equals ##\partial_\rho \mathcal{A}^\rho \cdot \eta^{\mu\nu}##.
 
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Euge said:
Write ##(\partial_\mu \mathcal{A}_\nu)(\partial^\mu \mathcal{A}^\nu) = (\partial_\lambda
\mathcal{A}_\rho)(\partial_\sigma \mathcal{A}_\tau) \eta^{\sigma \lambda} \eta^{\tau \rho}## and use the relations ##\frac{\partial}{\partial(\partial_\mu \mathcal{A}_\nu)}(\partial_i \mathcal{A}_j) = \delta^i_\mu \delta^j_\nu## to show that the partial of the first term of ##\mathcal{L}## with respect to ##\partial_\mu \mathcal{A}_\nu## is ##-\partial^\mu \mathcal{A}^\nu##.

Similarly write ##(\partial_\mu \mathcal{A}^\mu)^2 = (\partial_\rho A_\sigma \cdot \eta^{\rho \sigma})^2## and use the chain rule to get that the partial of the second term of ##\mathcal{L}## with respect to ##\partial_\mu \mathcal{A}_\nu## equals ##\partial_\rho \mathcal{A}^\rho \cdot \eta^{\mu\nu}##.
Thank you so much for your help, I have a question after using the chain rule on the second term. After expanding as you suggested and using the chain rule, I get: =##(\partial_\rho \mathcal{A}_\sigma \eta^{\rho \sigma}) \cdot \eta^{\rho \sigma} \delta_\mu^\rho \delta_\nu^\sigma## but this means we must substitute ##\rho=\mu## and ##\sigma=\nu## everywhere to satisfy the delta, however this gives ##(\partial_\mu \mathcal{A}^\mu) \cdot \eta^{\mu \nu}## which isn't the same as the answer right? I'm struggling to find where I'm going wrong here.
 
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Note that ##\eta^{\mu\nu}## are constants, so they have zero derivatives. The partial derivative of ##(\partial_\rho \mathcal{A}_\sigma \cdot \eta^{\rho\sigma})^2## with respect to ##\partial_\mu\mathcal{A}_\nu## is $$2(\partial_\rho \mathcal{A}_\sigma \cdot \eta^{\rho \sigma})\cdot \partial_\mu\mathcal{A}_\nu(\partial_i \mathcal{A}_j \cdot \eta^{i j}) = 2(\partial_\rho \mathcal{A}_\sigma \cdot \eta^{\rho \sigma})\delta_{\mu i} \delta_{\nu j} \eta^{ij}$$ Can you reduce the latter expression further?
 
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