Behaviour of implicit ODE solution as x approaches infinity

In summary: So you can't conclude that y = 0.In summary, the solution to the given implicit function has horizontal asymptotes at y = 0, pi, and 2pi as x approaches infinity. It is not valid to conclude that y = 0 based on this approach, as y could also be equal to pi or 2pi.
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Homework Statement


This is the solution to an IVP, and the question asks how the function behaves as x Approaches infinity.
[PLAIN]http://www.texify.com/img/%5CLARGE%5C%21%5Carctan%20x%5C%2C%20%2B%5C%2C%20%20x%5Csin%20y%20%5C%2C%2B%5C%2C%20%5Cfrac%7By%5E3%7D%7B6%7D%5C%2C%20%3D%5C%2C%20%5Cfrac%7B2%5Cpi%5E3%5C%2C%2B%5C%2C%203%5Cpi%7D%7B12%7D.gif



Homework Equations


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The Attempt at a Solution


Well i checked the solution on wolfram alpha and it gave me the same solution, so I'm fairly confident my solution is correct and that it wasn't supposed to be a function with an easier limit to compute.

rearranging the equation gives.


[PLAIN]http://www.texify.com/img/%5CLARGE%5C%21%5Csin%20y%20%5C%2C%20%2B%5C%2C%5Cfrac%7By%5E3%7D%7B6x%7D%20%5C%2C%20%3D%20%5C%2C%20%5Cfrac%7B2%5Cpi%5E3%20%2B3%5Cpi%7D%7B12x%7D%5C%2C%20-%5C%2C%20%5Cfrac%7B%5Carctan%20x%7D%7Bx%7D%5C%5C%5Clim_%7Bx%5Cto%5Cinfty%7D%20%5C%2C%20%5Cfrac%7B2%5Cpi%5E3%20%2B3%5Cpi%7D%7B12x%7D%5C%2C-%5C%2C%20%5Cfrac%7B%5Carctan%20x%7D%7Bx%7D%5C%2C%20%3D%20%5C%2C%200%20.gif

The limit of the left hand side of the equation must then be:

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So since the right hand side of the solution's limit is zero, for the lefthand side of the solution's limit must also be equal to zero and this occurs iff y = 0.

I'm just not sure if this is a valid approach to computing 'limits' of implicit functions as I don't have Much experience with them yet.
 
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This seems reasonable to me, except that you can't conclude that y necessarily is 0. Here's a plot on wolframalpha that seems to show horizontal asymptotes at 0, pi and 2pi.
http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?...=+Pi+(3+++2+Pi^2),+{x,+100,+200},+{y,+0,+15}]

Notice that sin(0) = 0, but also sin(pi) = 0 and sin(2pi) = 0. Since x is getting large, if y is close to any of these three values, y^3/6x --> 0 as well.
 

Related to Behaviour of implicit ODE solution as x approaches infinity

1. What is an implicit ODE solution?

An implicit ODE solution is a function that satisfies an ordinary differential equation (ODE) in which the derivative of the dependent variable appears on both sides of the equation. This means that the solution cannot be easily expressed in terms of the independent variable and often requires numerical methods to solve.

2. How does the behaviour of an implicit ODE solution change as x approaches infinity?

The behaviour of an implicit ODE solution as x approaches infinity depends on the specific ODE and its initial conditions. In some cases, the solution may approach a finite value as x increases, while in others it may approach infinity or oscillate between different values. It is important to analyze the ODE and its solution to determine the behaviour as x approaches infinity.

3. What factors affect the behaviour of an implicit ODE solution as x approaches infinity?

The behaviour of an implicit ODE solution as x approaches infinity can be affected by the order of the ODE, the initial conditions, and the presence of any singularities or discontinuities in the ODE or its solution. Additionally, the choice of numerical method used to solve the ODE can also impact the behaviour of the solution.

4. Can an implicit ODE solution approach a finite value as x approaches infinity?

Yes, it is possible for an implicit ODE solution to approach a finite value as x approaches infinity. This often occurs when the ODE has a stable equilibrium point or when the solution converges to a constant value over time.

5. How can the behaviour of an implicit ODE solution as x approaches infinity be visualized?

The behaviour of an implicit ODE solution as x approaches infinity can be visualized by plotting the solution over a range of values for the independent variable, including larger values of x. This can help to identify any trends or patterns in the behaviour, such as convergence or divergence, as well as any oscillations or discontinuities.

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