What is Separation of variables: Definition and 171 Discussions

In mathematics, separation of variables (also known as the Fourier method) is any of several methods for solving ordinary and partial differential equations, in which algebra allows one to rewrite an equation so that each of two variables occurs on a different side of the equation.

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  1. C

    Separation of Variables Spherical Coordinates

    Homework Statement So I'm doing a question from one of my past exams as attached, there are no copy right issues with this document that I know of and have asked my lecturer who wrote the exam and he said I am welcome to upload it. The question is 1)b)iv), my attempt is attached. I end up with...
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    Separation of variables technique

    If $$u=\frac{1}{2} E^2$$ and $$v=\frac{1}{2}B^2$$ and we have that $$\frac{\partial L}{\partial u} \frac{\partial L}{\partial v} = -1$$ The author says: to obtain explicit solution of the above, one must resort to techniques such as separation of variables in particular coordinate systems. For...
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    Separation of Variables in 2 Dimensions: A Laplace Equation Primer

    So I'm currently taking electricity and magnetism and I'm expected to know how to perform a separation of variables on laplace equation in 2 dimensions.I have taken Zero differntial equations courses and I literally have no freaking idea what's going on. The book I use doesn't spend any time...
  4. S

    Separation of Variables to Calculate Potential Inside Box

    My friends and I are in our first senior-level physics course at the University of Alabama in Huntsville, Introductory E&M. At the moment, we're working on using separation of variables to calculate electric potentials inside different objects given certain boundary conditions. One, however, is...
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    MHB Separation of Variables Problem

    (2xy-3y)dx-({x}^{2}-x)dy=0 ans. xy(x-3)=C ty
  6. M

    Separation of Variables In Electrostatics

    I am curious how legitimate a solution Separation of Variables tends to give. I've been working problems out of Griffith's book on Electromagnetism, and am often uneasy as to the way things are done. I have two specific issues. The first, is that in spherical it is often necessary to remove...
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    Cylinder with heat generation, Separation of variables

    I'm having some difficulty setting up a problem. I'm trying to model the temperature of a thermistor connected to a constant current source. The thermistor's resistance varies with temperature, so with a fixed current, I would expect to see the thermistor's temperature to oscillate with time...
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    MHB Equation of tangents and separation of variables question

    Hey guys, Can anyone help me out with these questions? The first one has a positive initial value. Separation of variables and integrating gave me: |y+3| = k√[(t^2) + 1)] Ultimately, I got k= √5 and thus y=√5√[(t^2) + 1)] - 3. Also, for the second one, I used a similar process, found...
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    Separation of variables for solutions of partial differential equation

    Why is it assumed that the method of separation of variables works when the boundary conditions of some boundary valued problem are homogeneous? What is the reasoning behind it?
  10. M

    MHB How to solve this boundary value problem-Method of separation of variables

    Hey! :o I have a question.. (Wasntme) When we have the following boundary value problem: $$u_{xx}+u_{yy}=0, 0<x<a, 0<y<b (1)$$ $$u_x(0,y)=u_x(a,y)=0, 0<y<b$$ $$u(x,0)=x, u_y(x,b)=0, 0<x<a$$using the method of separation of variables, the solution would be of the form $u(x,y)=X(x) \cdot Y(y)$...
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    MHB How to Solve a Differential Equation Using Separation of Variables?

    Can someone please help me solve the following using separation of variables: dy/dx = (xy + 3x -y-3)/(xy -4x+6y-24) so that the solution is written in the form: ((x+6)/(y+3))^7 =
  12. L

    MHB Differential Equations by separation of variables

    Can someone please help me to calculate the following using separation of variables: dy/dx = x*(1 - y^2)^(1/2) to that the solution is in the form: y =
  13. V

    Exploring Laplace's Equation: Separation of Variables Method in Electrodynamics

    I am studying Laplace's equation in my electrodynamics course (using griffiths intro to electrodynamics). I am watching a youtube video stepping through the separation of variables method for solving the PDE. It seems to be a common PDE that comes up repeatedly in physics (Helmholtz eqn, Poisson...
  14. S

    Critiquing separation of variables method for PDE.

    "Critiquing" separation of variables method for PDE. I am currently taking a course in PDE's and it has been very "applied" and not so much theory based. I can say its been separate this separate that separate this separate that… Enough! We are always "separating variables" and it always...
  15. S

    How Can Separation of Variables Solve This Partial Differential Equation?

    Homework Statement utt = uxx -(25/4)cos((5/2)x) ux(0,t) =1 u(pi,t)= pi u(x,0)=x ut(x,0)=0 Homework Equations u(x,t)=v(x) + w(x,t) The Attempt at a Solution This is what I did so far: u(x,t)=v(x) + w(x,t) u(x,0) = v(x) +w(x,0) when t is large: vxx - (25/4)cos((5/2)x) = 0 vx =...
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    Separation of Variables: Non-Constant Coefficients

    Homework Statement Hey guys, I have this problem which I am having a hard time solving. $$u_{tt} -x^2u_{xx} = 0$$ $$1<x<2 \hspace{4mm} t>0$$ $$u(x,0)=0$$ $$u_t(x,0)=g(x)$$ $$u(1,t)=0=u(2,t)$$ Homework Equations $$u_{tt} -x^2u_{xx} = 0$$ $$1<x<2 \hspace{4mm} t>0$$...
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    MHB Solve by separation of variables

    Solve given differential equation by separation of variables \frac{dy}{dx}=\frac{xy+3x-y-3}{xy-2x+4y-8} So separate x and y terms (xy-2x+4y-8) dy = (xy+3x-y-3) ugh I'm stuck:(
  18. P

    Integration by separation of variables

    Homework Statement Using the technique involving variable separation, solve the following differential equation and use the initial condition to find the particular solution \frac{dy}{dt} = \frac{1}{y^{2}} y(0) = 1 Homework Equations The Attempt at a Solution To be honest...
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    MHB Separation of variables, can't get y out of exponent

    Solve the DE by using separation of variables \frac{dy}{dx} = e^{3x+2y} Break up e^{3x+2y} = e^{3x}e^{2y} Move x's and y's to their own side of the equation. \frac{1}{e^{2y}} dy = e^{3x} dx Integrate both sides of the equation to get \frac{-e^{2y}}{2x}=\frac{e^{3x}}{3}+C I don't know how to...
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    MHB Separation of variables, constant in front of term

    Solve the differential equation by separation of variables x \frac{dy}{dx} = 4y becomes \frac{1}{4y} dy = \frac{1}{x} dx Integrate to get \frac{1}{4} \ln{|y|} = \ln{|x|}+C I'm stuck here because I want to raise e to the power of both sides of the expression like e^{ \frac{1}{4} \ln{|y|}} =...
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    Solving a Candle Height Problem with Separation of Variables

    Homework Statement In the problem, we are to consider two candles, call them C1 and C2, with different heights and different thicknesses. Call the height of C1 H1, and for C2, call it H2. The taller candle burns can burn for 7/2 hours, and the short one, 5 hours. After two hours lapses, the...
  22. B

    Differential Equation: Separation of Variables

    Homework Statement dL/dp = L/2, L(0) = 100. Find the solution to the differential equation, subject to the given initial condition. My textbook says the answer is L = 100ep/2, but I don't know how to get that answer (or e for that matter). Homework Equations ? The Attempt at a...
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    Solving Partial Differential Equations Using Separation of Variables

    I'm having troubles with PDE. Apply separation of variables, if possible, to found product solutions to the following differential equations. a) x\frac{\partial u}{\partial x}=y\frac{\partial u}{\partial y} I suppose that: u=X(x) \cdot Y(y) Then: xX'Y=yXY' xX'/X=yY'/Y So xX'/X=yY'/Y=c because...
  24. S

    Method of separation of variables for wave equation

    Homework Statement $$u_{tt} = a^2u_{xx} , 0<x< l , t>0 , $$a is constant $$ u(x,0)=sinx , u_{t} (x,0) = cosx , 0<x< l , t>0 $$ $$ u(0,t)=2t , u(l,t)=t^2 , t>0 $$ Homework Equations The Attempt at a Solution I can solve the eigenvalue problem of X(x), and then solve for T(t), but...
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    Separation of variables to solve Schrodinger equations

    I've found many articles online that explain how to solve the Schrodinger equation for a potential dependent on x, but not for one dependent on t. A couple articles said that you could not use separation of variables to solve the Schrodinger equation with a time dependent potential, but they did...
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    Why is the Separation of Variables method valid?

    Why is the "Separation of Variables" method valid? Hey guys, Lately I have been focusing on some question that have annoyed me for some time. One of these questions is: Why is the method of separation of variables valid when solving some PDE? Usually smmetry arguments are presented, and...
  27. A

    What is the final expression for the energy in separation of variables?

    Suppose you have some partiel DE describing a physical system with 2 degrees of freedom (e.g. the SE). If you try separation of variables you get something like: Hg(x)h(y) = Eg(x)h(y) now you can separate this to two equations, but the energy has to go in one of them. Is the final...
  28. Duderonimous

    Solving a differential Eq. by separation of variables

    Homework Statement Find all solutions. Solve explicitly for y. y^{'}=y^{2}-y Homework Equations The Attempt at a Solution Case where y'=0 0=y(y-1) y=0,1 when y(t)=0 Case where y'\neq0 y'=y^{2}-y \frac{1}{y^{2}-y}y'=1 \int\frac{1}{y^{2}-y}y'dt=∫1dt \int\frac{1}{y^{2}-y}dy=t+c Cant...
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    Solving a PDE by Separation of Variables - Troubling Condition

    Homework Statement Hopefully no one will mind me posting this as an image. But here it is in tex: Using separation of variables, find the function u(x,t), defined for 0\leq x\leq 4\pi and t\geq 0, which satisfies the following conditions: \frac{\partial^2 u}{\partial...
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    PDE Separation of Variables with Nonzero Boundary Conditions

    Homework Statement Solve the diffusion equation: u_{xx}-\alpha^2 u_{t}=0 With the boundary and initial conditions: u(0,t)=u_{0} u(L,t)=u_{L} u(x,0=\phi(x) The Attempt at a Solution I want to solve using separation of variables... I start by assuming a solution of the form...
  31. fluidistic

    Circular membrane, PDE, separation of variables, coefficients.

    Homework Statement I must find the oscillations of a circular membrane (drum-like). 1)With the boundary condition that the membrane is fixed at r=a. 2)That the membrane is free. Homework Equations The wave equation \frac{\partial ^2 u }{\partial t^2 } - c^2 \triangle u =0...
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    Laplace Equation Solved by Method of Separation of Variables

    Homework Statement Homework Equations Assume the solution has a form of: The Attempt at a Solution It looks like a sine Fourier series except for the 2c5 term outside of the series, so I'm not sure how to go about solving for the coefficients c5 and c10. Any idea?
  33. S

    Electrostatic Separation of Variables in a Square Pipe

    Homework Statement I'm solving a problem where a conducting pipe with a square cross section is being analyzed to find the potential everywhere in space. The pipe lays along the z-axis, so we're really concerned with the x-y plane. My issue isn't so much the general solution via separation...
  34. ElijahRockers

    Engineering Inductor Circuit, separation of variables

    Homework Statement V_o varies as V(t) = 2000e^(-100t) volts for t > 0 i1(0) = -6A i2(0) = 1A thus i0(0) = 5A Find i0(t) for t > 0. I found Leq = 4H V(t) = L di/dt I separated variables and integrated, got 5e^(-100t) but the software is telling me it's wrong... supposedly the answer is...
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    Analyzing 2D Fin Temperature with Separation of Variables

    Homework Statement We have a 2D fin that has length L (x-axis), and thickness t, (y-axis). The left side has a fixed temperature, the right side is insulated, and the top and bottom surfaces are subject to convection. Find an analytical solution for the temperature at steady state. Homework...
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    Separation of variables, laplace equation

    Homework Statement Two coaxial pipes(radius a) of the same diameter with a small gap between them are maintained at a potential difference V. By separation of variables and fitting coefficient, guess the potential within the pipe, near the gap. Homework Equations The Attempt...
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    Separation of variables on 2nd order ode

    Hi all Quick one, if one had an equation y' = x on could simply separate the variables and integrate. Now it the equation y'' = x you would use separation of variables what drives this? Also y'' =0. Is the same as. y''dx =0 dx Why is this legal?Thanks in advance
  38. E

    Separation of variables , but for 2nd order

    "separation of variables", but for 2nd order Ok, I know how to separate variables in solving an ODE. I am unable to understand a solution I have for a problem which was the result of reduction of order- we end up with u''*sinx-2u'*cosx=0 so turn this into u''/u'=-2cosx/sinx At this point I...
  39. M

    Separation of Variables, Solutions to Laplace's Eqtns with Boundary Conditions

    Not really a specific problem, but just a general question: Does anyone have any good references (preferably online) for solving E&M problems with this method? I'm using Griffith's Electrodynamics book for my class and I'm trying to get ready for a final. This is the only part I'm having...
  40. ElijahRockers

    Solve dy/dx=e^(3x+2y) by separation of variables

    Homework Statement solve dy/dx=e^(3x+2y) by separation of variables The Attempt at a Solution \frac{dy}{dx}=e^{3x+2y} \frac{dy}{dx}=e^{3x}e^{2y} e^{-2y}dy=e^{3x}dx \int e^{-2y}dy=\int e^{3x}dx e^{-2y}=-\frac{2}{3}e^3x + C -2y = ln(-\frac{2}{3}e^{3x}+C)...
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    Separation of variables - Laplace's Equation

    Homework Statement Use separation of variables to find the solution to Laplaces equation satisfying the boundary conditions u(x,0)=0 (0<x<2) u(x,1)=0 (0<x<2) u(0,y)=0 (0<y<1) u(2,y)= asin2πy(0<y<1) The Attempt at a Solution I am able to perform the separation of variables...
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    Separation of Variables in Spherical Schrodinger Equation

    The normalization condition is: ∫|ψ|^{2}d^{3}r=1 In spherical coordinates: d^{3}r=r^{2}sinθdrdθd\phi Separating variables: ∫|ψ|^{2}r^{2}sinθdrdθd\phi=∫|R|^{2}r^{2}dr∫|Y|^{2}sinθdθd\phi=1 The next step is the part I don't understand. It says: ∫^{∞}_{0}|R|^{2}r^{2}dr=1 and...
  43. B

    Separating Variables in Differential Equations: Solving dP/dt = P - P^2

    Homework Statement dP/dt=P-P^2 Homework Equations The Attempt at a Solution I know you can separate this and after i did that and did my partial fractions i got t + C = ln(P) + ln(1-P) but i don't know what to do from here i figure you take the e of both sides at some point...
  44. S

    Separation of Variables for ODE

    Homework Statement Solve the following equation by separation of the variables: y' tan-1x - y (1+x2)-1 = 0 Homework Equations The Attempt at a Solution I am not sure if tan-1x stands for arctan x or (tan x)-1. (This has been taken out a book.) Any help on this would be...
  45. E

    Solve this differential equation using separation of variables

    Solve the following first order, ordinary differential equations using separation of variables: dy/dx = y^2 x subject to y=-1 when x=0 the correct answer is: y = -2/x^2 + 2 i cannot seem to get this answer, after i separate the variables and integrate both sides i get: y^2 x^2/2...
  46. Z

    Why isn't there an A in the solution for separation of variables in this PDE?

    Homework Statement Given the partial differential equation: ∂2u/∂x2 = ∂2u/∂t2 , where x[0;L] Use separation of variables to find the solution that satisfies the boundary conditions: ∂u/∂x (x=0) = ∂u/∂x (x=L) = 0 Homework Equations The separation of variables method. The...
  47. T

    Differential Equation by Separation of Variables

    Homework Statement Solve the differential equation: y' + cos(x)y = cos(x) The Attempt at a Solution y' = cos(x)(1 -y) \frac{dy}{1-y} = cos(x) dx -ln|1-y| = sin(x) + C \frac{1}{1-y} = e^{sin(x)} + C 1-y = \frac{1}{e^{sin(x)} + C} y = \frac{-1}{e^{sin(x)} + C} + 1 Have I done this...
  48. B

    How to Solve a Differential Equation Using Separation of Variables

    Homework Statement use separation of variables to solve the differential equation x^2dy/dx=y-xy with the initial condition of y(-1)=-1 Homework Equations The Attempt at a Solution after i separated and integrated i got the answer y=e^(-1/x-lnx+c) the answer in the book is y=e^-(1+1/x)/x i...
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    Modeling Population Growth Using Separation of Variables

    \displaystyle\frac{dN}{dt} = rN\left(1-\frac{N}{K}\right)\displaystyle\int\frac{KdN}{N\left(K-N\right)} = \int rdt \displaystyle K\int\frac{dN}{N}-K\int\frac{dN}{K-N}=r\int dt Now, I obtain: K\ln\left(\frac{N}{K-N}\right) = rt+c \left(\frac{N}{K-N}\right)^K=C_0r^{rt} The final solution is...
  50. M

    Separation of Variables for a Rocket Launched in a Gravitational Field

    Homework Statement Taking the equation of motion for a rocket launched from rest in a gravitational field g, m\dot{v} = -\dot{m}v_{ex} - mg , and knowing that the rocket ejects mass (fuel) at a constant rate \dot{m} = -k (where k is a positive constant), so that m = m_{o} - kt . Solve...
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