Why is this function injective?

In summary, the conversation discusses finding solutions for the equation f(f(x)) = 0 and how to prove that if f(x) = f(y), then x = y. The conversation also clarifies that f(f(x)) = 0 does not necessarily imply f(x) = f(y) and explains the reasoning behind f(x) = f(y) implying x = y.
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Wiz14
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Homework Statement


The function from R to R satisfies x + f(x) = f(f(x)) Find all Solutions of the equation f(f(x)) = 0.

Part of the problem solution says that if f(x) = f(y), then "obviously" x = y. I understand the rest of the solution, but why does f(x) = f(y) imply that x = y?
 
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Have you tried comparing f(f(x)) and f(f(y))?
 
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Hypersphere said:
Have you tried comparing f(f(x)) and f(f(y))?

sorry I am new to this stuff, but do you mean f(f(x)) = 0 implies f(f(y)) = 0 which implies f(f(x)) = f(f(y)) ? If yes then how does this prove f(x) = f(y)?
 
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No, he meant nothing of the sort. And f(f(x))= 0 does NOT imply f(f(y))= 0.
 
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HallsofIvy said:
No, he meant nothing of the sort. And f(f(x))= 0 does NOT imply f(f(y))= 0.

If f(f(x)) = 0, independently of the argument f(x), then doesn't substituting f(y) for f(x) give f(f(y)) = 0?
 
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Wiz14 said:
but why does f(x) = f(y) imply that x = y?

If f(x) = f(y), then f(f(x)) = f(f(y)). Use this to prove that x=y. This has nothing to do with anything equaling zero
 
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Office_Shredder said:
If f(x) = f(y), then f(f(x)) = f(f(y)). Use this to prove that x=y. This has nothing to do with anything equaling zero

If f(y) = f(x) then substituting f(y) into the original equation gives f(f(y) = f(x) + y = f(x) + x, then subtracting the f(x) from the last equation gives x = y, is this correct? Thanks for the help.
 
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Wiz14 said:
If f(y) = f(x) then substituting f(y) into the original equation gives f(f(y) = f(x) + y = f(x) + x, then subtracting the f(x) from the last equation gives x = y, is this correct? Thanks for the help.

That is right.
 

Related to Why is this function injective?

1. Why is it important to know if a function is injective?

Knowing if a function is injective can help us determine if there is a one-to-one correspondence between the elements of the domain and range. This can be useful in various mathematical and scientific applications, such as creating mathematical models and solving equations.

2. How can I tell if a function is injective?

A function is injective if for every element in the range, there is only one corresponding element in the domain. This can be checked by examining the graph of the function or by using the horizontal line test. If a horizontal line intersects the graph at more than one point, the function is not injective.

3. What happens if a function is not injective?

If a function is not injective, it means that there are multiple elements in the domain that map to the same element in the range. This can lead to problems in solving equations and can affect the accuracy of mathematical models.

4. Can a function be both injective and surjective?

Yes, a function can be both injective and surjective. This is known as a bijective function, where every element in the domain has a unique corresponding element in the range and every element in the range has a pre-image in the domain.

5. How can I prove that a function is injective?

To prove that a function is injective, you can use the definition of injectivity and show that for every element in the range, there is only one corresponding element in the domain. This can be done through algebraic manipulation, graphing, or using mathematical proofs.

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