Why does centripetal force not apply in gravitation problem?

In summary, the conversation discusses the elliptical orbit of a comet and the positions of the comet in relation to the Sun. The ratio of the comet's speed at position 1 (farthest from the Sun) to its speed at position 2 (nearest to the Sun) is 1/10. The ratio of the force on the comet at position 1 to the force at position 2 is 1/100, due to the difference in radius at the two positions. However, this calculation is not accurate as the centripetal force formula only applies to circular motion, not ellipses. This results in the comet's orbit being wide instead of a tight circle due to the difference in gravity at closest approach.
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Homework Statement


The elliptical orbit of a comet is shown above (hidden document I apologize but easy to picture). Positions 1 and 2 are, respectively, the farthest and nearest positions to the Sun, and at position 1 the distance from the comet to the Sun is 10 times that at position 2.
What is the ratio v1/v2 of the speed of the comet at position 1 to the speed at position 2? What is the ratio F1/F2 of the force on the comet at position 1 to the force on the comet at position 2?

Homework Equations


Fc = mv^2/r
Fg = Gm1m2/r^2

The Attempt at a Solution


I used IW = IW to solve that the ratio v1/v2 is 1/10. Then, for the force equations, I divided centripetal force of v1 by centripetal force of v2, making substitutions, like this (the line of dashes representing division)
[m(v1)^2]/R2(10)
----------------------- = 1/10
[m(v1x10)^2]/R2

The answer is 1/100, which is found if Fg is used, as the only difference in Fg is the radius substitution of (10xR2)^2
 
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The centripetal force formula you are using only applies to circular motion, not to ellipses. Indeed, you could say that because the gravity at closest approach is less then the centripetal force requirement, this is the reason the orbit is swings out into a wide ellipse instead of staying in a tight circle.
 
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Ken G said:
The centripetal force formula you are using only applies to circular motion, not to ellipses. Indeed, you could say that because the gravity at closest approach is less then the centripetal force requirement, this is the reason the orbit is swings out into a wide ellipse instead of staying in a tight circle.
That makes sense. Thanks a bunch, I appreciate it.
 

Related to Why does centripetal force not apply in gravitation problem?

1. Why do objects orbit around a central mass in space instead of being pulled directly towards it?

Centripetal force is a type of force that acts towards the center of a circular motion. In gravitation problems, the force of gravity between two objects is the dominant force. This force acts in a straight line between the two objects, causing them to accelerate towards each other. However, if one of the objects has a sufficient velocity, it will continue to move in a curved path around the other object, creating an orbit. This is because the force of gravity is constantly changing the direction of the object's velocity, resulting in a circular motion.

2. How is centripetal force different from gravitational force?

Centripetal force is a type of force that acts towards the center of a circular motion, while gravitational force is the attractive force between two objects with mass. In gravitation problems, the force of gravity is the dominant force, and it acts between two objects, pulling them towards each other. Centripetal force, on the other hand, is the force that is required to keep an object moving in a circular path. In the case of orbital motion, the centripetal force is provided by the gravitational force.

3. Why is centripetal force not considered in the calculation of gravitational force?

In the calculation of gravitational force, we only consider the force of gravity between two objects. This is because the force of gravity is much stronger than any other forces, such as centripetal force, that may act on the objects. In most cases, centripetal force is negligible compared to the force of gravity, and therefore, it is not considered in the calculation.

4. Can centripetal force affect the orbit of a planet around the sun?

Yes, centripetal force can affect the orbit of a planet around the sun. In fact, it is the centripetal force provided by the gravitational force of the sun that keeps the planets in their orbits. If the centripetal force is not strong enough, the planet will either crash into the sun or drift away into space. The balance between the gravitational force and the centripetal force is what determines the stable orbit of a planet around the sun.

5. Why does centripetal force not affect the gravitational pull between two objects?

Centripetal force does not affect the gravitational pull between two objects because it is a result of the gravitational force. In other words, the gravitational pull between two objects causes the centripetal force that is required for an object to move in a circular path around another object. Therefore, the centripetal force is a consequence of the gravitational force and does not have an impact on it.

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