Why are P/M and D/H defined oppositely in Electromagnetism

In summary, the definitions of D and H are related to the fundamental electric and magnetic fields E and B, respectively. The polarisation is defined as the opposite of the electric field for D, while it is defined in terms of the magnetic field for H. This can be traced back to the relationships between electric and magnetic polarization vectors, and the fact that H is considered more fundamental than B, as it remains unchanged by the presence of magnetic materials.
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I<3NickTesla
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The definitions of D and H are:

##D=\epsilon_0 E+P##
##H=B/\mu_0-M####P=\epsilon_0 \chi E##
##M=\chi H##

I was wondering, if E and B are the fundamental field relating to all charges/currents, why is the definition of the polarisation the opposite for each of them? So why is H in the definition of M and not B, when B is the actual physical field.

Thanks
 
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You can trace the difference in sign to the relations

##\vec{\nabla} \cdot \vec{P} = -\rho_{bound}## and ##\vec{\nabla} \times \vec{M} = +\vec{J}_{bound}##

where ##\vec{P}## and ##\vec{M}## are electric and magnetic polarization vectors.
 
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I<3NickTesla said:
The definitions of D and H are:

##D=\epsilon_0 E+P##
##H=B/\mu_0-M####P=\epsilon_0 \chi E##
##M=\chi H##

I was wondering, if E and B are the fundamental field relating to all charges/currents, why is the definition of the polarisation the opposite for each of them? So why is H in the definition of M and not B, when B is the actual physical field.

Thanks
I would venture that H is more fundamental than B, in the sense that B is H modified by magnetic material, just as D is E modified by dielectric material.
E.g. you have a solenoid with current thru it: the B field is one thing if the core is air and another if the core is iron. But H does not change. Ampere's law is most simply stated as ∫H ds = I.

But that's just a venture. :smile:
 

Related to Why are P/M and D/H defined oppositely in Electromagnetism

1. Why are P and M defined oppositely in Electromagnetism?

The definitions of P (electric polarization) and M (magnetic polarization) in electromagnetism are opposite because they refer to different types of polarization. P refers to the separation of positive and negative charges within a material, while M refers to the alignment of magnetic dipole moments within a material. These are two distinct phenomena, and thus they are defined differently.

2. What is the significance of defining D and H oppositely in Electromagnetism?

The definitions of D (electric displacement) and H (magnetic field strength) being opposite in electromagnetism allows for a more accurate representation of the interactions between electric and magnetic fields. D and H take into account the effects of polarization and magnetization, respectively, which are crucial in understanding the behavior of electromagnetic waves.

3. How do the opposite definitions of P/M and D/H affect the equations of Electromagnetism?

The opposite definitions of P and M, as well as D and H, are reflected in the equations of electromagnetism. For example, the electric displacement vector D is related to the electric field vector E by the equation D = εE, where ε is the permittivity of the material. Similarly, the magnetic field strength vector H is related to the magnetic field vector B by the equation H = μB, where μ is the permeability of the material. These equations account for the opposite definitions of P/M and D/H.

4. Is the opposite definition of P/M and D/H only applicable in materials?

No, the opposite definitions of P/M and D/H are applicable in all situations involving electric and magnetic fields, not just in materials. For example, in vacuum, the electric displacement vector D is equal to the electric field vector E, and the magnetic field strength vector H is equal to the magnetic field vector B. However, in materials, the presence of P and M must be taken into account, leading to the opposite definitions of D and H.

5. Can P/M and D/H be defined oppositely in other branches of physics?

Yes, the opposite definitions of P/M and D/H are not limited to electromagnetism. In other branches of physics, such as fluid dynamics, similar concepts of polarization and field strength are defined in opposite ways. For example, in fluid mechanics, the pressure gradient (P) is defined as the change in pressure per unit distance, while the velocity gradient (V) is defined as the change in velocity per unit distance. These opposite definitions are necessary for a more comprehensive understanding of the behavior of fluids.

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