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Gokul43201
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Congressional Quarterly is a "pretty small newspaper"?russ_watters said:That site was a pretty small site from a pretty small newspaper so not a real good source.
From the wiki:
Despite its name, CQ was published quarterly for only one year. Demand drove more frequent updates, first weekly, then daily. CQ was also an early leader in delivering information on a real-time basis, starting with a dial-up service in 1984. Its Web site dominates the market for online legislative tracking information, and has been nominated for several awards. In recent years, CQ has launched several electronic-only newsletters with greater focus on particular areas, including CQ Homeland Security, CQ Budget Tracker, CQ HealthBeat, and CQ Green Sheets.
They have reviewed 119 quotes from McCain and 126 quotes from Obama. I think that's a little more than a dozen.russ said:They only reviewed about a dozen quotes.
Did you think I got these percentages out of a dozen quotes?
Gokul43201 said:Meanwhile, here's the score on lying by the two campaigns, according to Politifact.com.
Code:Truthiness McCain Obama --------------------------------- True 22% 34% Mostly True 18% 21% Half True 17% 18% Barely True 19% 11% False 19% 16% Pants on Fire 05% 00%
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/
https://www.physicsforums.com/showpost.php?p=1873569&postcount=206
That table today looks like this:
Code:
Truthiness McCain Obama
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True 21% 33%
Mostly True 18% 20%
Half True 16% 18%
Barely True 20% 12%
False 19% 16%
Pants on Fire 05% 01%
Not a whole lot has changed in the cumulative record.
It is listed on that site. Obama won himself a rating of "False" for that.russ said:One doozie that I had forgottenabout (and isn't listed on that site) is Obama's whopper from the end of March about McCain wanting a 100 year war.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/388/
In Obama's defense, once he was called out on that, he almost immediately changed the words he used. In subsequent speeches, he only referred to McCain admitting to a 100 year troop presence, as evidenced by this question from Fox's Megyn Kelly on Apr 1:
KELLY: So, OK, it goes on and on. What about Obama's refined position that McCain supports a 100 year troop presence in Iraq is inaccurate?
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,344988,00.html
While that is true, Obama has a long way to go to make it into McCain's league. The factcheck.org "Whoppers of 2008" list catches the McCain campaign 23 times and the Obama campaign 12 times.russ said:The list of ads on the front page of factcheck implies a shift by Obama in the past week to be more on the attack and looser with the truth.
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/the_whoppers_of_2008.html
I agree, mostly. If McCain disappeared today, and Obama kept going, they would be about even by November.russ said:He also has a highly effective ad that he's been playing a lot that white washes the gender/income gap issue in the US. Simply put, it doesn't exist.
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