What artifacts were stolen from Iraq's National Museum and are being returned?

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In summary, the British Museum claims that the ancient city of Babylon has been irreparably damaged by coalition forces in Iraq, with sandbags filled with archaeological fragments and 2,600 year old paving stones being crushed by tanks. The US Army, however, states that the troops were well aware of the city's historical significance and excavations were done in consultation with the Babylon museum director and an archaeologist. The city of Babylon was an awe-inspiring sight, with two sets of fortified walls and was one of the most important cities in Mesopotamia. The damage to the city is being attributed to the US military's need to "further defeat terrorists and insurgents." This is not the first time historical artifacts have been damaged or lo
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Bilal
Is it biblical revenge from Babylon ? or ignorance? or just blind hate against the oldest human civilisations in ME?

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Army base 'has damaged Babylon'

A double fortified wall enclosed the city, protecting it from attack
Coalition forces in Iraq have caused irreparable damage to the ancient city of Babylon, the British Museum says.
Sandbags have been filled with precious archaeological fragments and 2,600 year old paving stones have been crushed by tanks, a museum report claims.

The US Army says the troops based in the city, some 50 miles (80km) south of Baghdad, are well aware of its historical significance.

Babylon's Hanging Gardens were among the Seven Wonders of the Ancient World.

Cascades

The legendary gardens featured water diverted from mountain streams cascading down artificial hills built upon stone vaults.

American troops occupied the site in April 2003, initially to protect it from looters and vandals.


Excavations were done in consultation with the Babylon museum director and an archaeologist

Lt Col Steven Boylan

John Curtis, author of the museum's report, said this was "tantamount to establishing a military camp around Stonehenge".

"About 300,000 square metres of the surface of the site has been flattened and covered with compacted gravel and sometimes chemically treated," he said.

"This will contaminate the archaeological record of the site."

He added: "I noted about 12 trenches, one of them 170m long, which had been dug through the archaeological deposits."

Mr Curtis, who is curator of the museum's Near East department, also found evidence of fuel leaks.

Awe-inspiring

But US military spokesman Lt Col Steven Boylan said the base, which has around 6,000 troops under Police command, is needed to "further defeat terrorists and insurgents".

He told BBC Newshour: "Any of the excavations or Earth work that we have done in order to do our operations... was done in consultation with the Babylon museum director and an archaeologist."

At the height of its power, Babylon was an awe-inspiring sight, with two sets of fortified walls surrounding massive palaces and religious buildings.

It became one of the most important cities in Mesopotamia, one of the cradles of human civilisation.
Iraq is home to 10,000 archaeological sites.
 
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(((But US military spokesman Lt Col Steven Boylan said the base, which has around 6,000 troops under Police command, is needed to "further defeat terrorists and insurgents". )))

They can not find another place to build bases?

During the invasion they sent their tanks to protect the Ministry of Oil :approve: and ignored the fifth museum in the world (museum of Baghdad) without protection, Unknown people :rolleyes: looted the museum, including 7 tons wall from Babylon era!.The same done with two historical libraries; unknown people :rolleyes: burned and looted ten thousands of historical documents..

The annoying issue that those people taking ‘’ defeating the terrorists ‘’ as excuse for everything, even destruction of this historical city is important to defeat the terrorists! :mad:
 
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At times you think ignorance just can't reach new heights, should know better ... and they give the answer which "justifies" everything - defeat insurgents. From where does the US army find these morons and where do they find their ways of action ...
 
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Bilal said:
During the invasion they sent their tanks to protect the Ministry of Oil :approve: and ignored the fifth museum in the world (museum of Baghdad) without protection, Unknown people :rolleyes: looted the museum, including 7 tons wall from Babylon era!.The same done with two historical libraries; unknown people :rolleyes: burned and looted ten thousands of historical documents.

I was incredulous when I first head about this. That event caused sufficient negative publicity that I thought they would be a lot more careful in the future.

What a terrible shame !
 
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Gokul:
Bilal said:
During the invasion they sent their tanks to protect the Ministry of Oil :approve: and ignored the fifth museum in the world (museum of Baghdad) without protection, Unknown people :rolleyes: looted the museum, including 7 tons wall from Babylon era!.
That story was a fabrication (it included a fabricated quote from the museum curator), which has been retracted: The "missing" artifacts were kept safe in a vault in a sewer.

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/special/iraq/1941910

As for this new story, well, without even a source, its not worthy of comment.
 
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PerennialII

Thank you, it seems I forgot to put the link! it is from BBC...

russ_watters

Here is references:



The Baghdad Museum Project

http://www.baghdadmuseum.org/index2.htm

((HELP SAVE THE BAGHDAD MUSEUM
An Open Letter to the Global Community

Dear Friend,


This is our call to help save the Baghdad Museum.

Your creative involvement is urgently needed.

As you know, the Baghdad Museum -- or the Iraq National Museum in Baghdad -- has been looted, stripping it of a priceless collection of cultural artifacts dating back to the dawn of civilization.

As you will see from the "museum walkthrough" presented here, these are major historical treasures not only for the Iraqi people but for all humanity as well.))

Baghdad national museum: pictures and news about lost pieces :

http://www.zyworld.com/Assyrian/Baghdad_National_Museum_Iraq.htm

((The latest reports state that about 14.000 items were stolen from the Museum, 3.000 have been recovered so far. Another 1000 pieces has been seized in the US by the customs, and another 1000 in Jordan and a 1000 piece in France.

Some of items believed to be still missing are the Tablets of Hammurabi' s Code of law, the Epic of Gilgamesh tablets, Ivory figurines, Mathematical tablets earlier then Pythagorean.
:frown:

Some items have already appeared in Iran, Paris and Europe latest news are saying that the first phase of looting was committed by professional thieves and probably with the help of some insiders. It seemed that the looters had used keys to open storerooms.))
 
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I find comfort in that while some of the artifacts may never be seen by the public in our lifetimes, the thieves and eventual buyers probably won't destroy them.
 
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FYI Bilal...the Code of Hammurabi sits among the "Oriental Collection" at the Louvre museum...where it has been since 1901-1902.

I'd also like to see other references to the Babylonian issue as I remember the base (note, not Base) being built around the area to secure it from looters and U.S. specialist having rebuilt the minature tower under the auspices of Iraqi curators and archeoligists.
 
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The topic is not about the Code of Hammurabi ...

Concerning the base ... I do not believe you need to build base with 6000 soldiers and tanks to secure the area ! It is enough to for policemen center to protect the area!

Saddam already rebuilt the city with the help of many international universities and centers. He paid hundreds of millions of Dollars for this goal in the 80s .. As you know he love Nabukhad Nas-sar ...

I saw documentary movie few years ago in German TV about rebuilding of the city ... the international collaboration did very well … but it is impossible to rebuild the tower because the Persian already took its stones to other places... according to what they mentioned in that movie.

Beside that, do you think building Babel tower is more urgent than providing electricity, water and fuel for people? I do not think the American are silly to send scientists and waste money for building the tower while the country became ''hell on the earth''.

The information about the destruction of the city and the goal of the base is mentioned clearly in the report.

((US military spokesman Lt Col Steven Boylan said the base, which has around 6,000 troops under Police command, is needed to "further defeat terrorists and insurgents".))

I believe that they can build the base 10 km far from the city, and they can surround the historical city by fence to protect it till the situation become stable. (No people live in the historical part of the city, and no need for military activity there)



kat said:
FYI Bilal...the Code of Hammurabi sits among the "Oriental Collection" at the Louvre museum...where it has been since 1901-1902.

I'd also like to see other references to the Babylonian issue as I remember the base (note, not Base) being built around the area to secure it from looters and U.S. specialist having rebuilt the minature tower under the auspices of Iraqi curators and archeoligists.
 
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The topic is not about the Code of Hammurabi ...

However, your credibility as a source certainly is. (And that of wherever you are getting this stuff)
 
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Bilal said:
The topic is not about the Code of Hammurabi ...
No, perhaps not...but a link..and your post..that states it is missing when it's been sitting at the Louvre for over a century does say a little something about a lack of accuracy.

Concerning the base ... I do not believe you need to build base with 6000 soldiers and tanks to secure the area ! It is enough to for policemen center to protect the area!

Saddam already rebuilt the city with the help of many international universities and centers. He paid hundreds of millions of Dollars for this goal in the 80s .. As you know he love Nabukhad Nas-sar ...

I saw documentary movie few years ago in German TV about rebuilding of the city ... the international collaboration did very well … but it is impossible to rebuild the tower because the Persian already took its stones to other places... according to what they mentioned in that movie.

Beside that, do you think building Babel tower is more urgent than providing electricity, water and fuel for people? I do not think the American are silly to send scientists and waste money for building the tower while the country became ''hell on the earth''.

The information about the destruction of the city and the goal of the base is mentioned clearly in the report.

((US military spokesman Lt Col Steven Boylan said the base, which has around 6,000 troops under Police command, is needed to "further defeat terrorists and insurgents".))

I believe that they can build the base 10 km far from the city, and they can surround the historical city by fence to protect it till the situation become stable. (No people live in the historical part of the city, and no need for military activity there)
As I said..I'd like to see more information for other sources as I know that overlooking the city was Saddams huge palace..and within the walls of the city were hundreds and hundreds of bricks placed there by Saddam with his name inscripted upon them...so, is that what was picked out of the gates? I'll with hold my condemnation until i get accurate reporting..that includes sites that don't still think that anything but a replica of Hammurabi's code was sitting in Iraqs musuem.
 
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I wish you will accept these sources!

British museum, UNESCO, INTERPOL, University of Chicago!

Lost Treasures From Iraq - The University of Chicago
http://oi.uchicago.edu/OI/IRAQ/dbfiles/recent.htm


Report of the British museum January 2005:

http://www.thebritishmuseum.ac.uk/iraqcrisis/

UNESCO site

http://portal.unesco.org/culture/en/ev.php-URL_ID=17373&URL_DO=DO_TOPIC&URL_SECTION=201.html

((When the Iraq National Museum in Baghdad was looted in April 2003 at least 13,000 objects went missing, though about 4000 objects were voluntarily returned later. Large-scale looting of archaeological sites, like Isin and Umma, is ongoing. The amount of cultural property lost through looting of archaeological sites is incalculable.))

Interpol site: some pictures

http://www.interpol.int/Public/WorkOfArt/Iraq/Iraqtaskforce/Default.asp
http://www.interpol.int/Public/WorkOfArt/Iraq/meetings/Recommendations200405.asp



Hurkyl said:
However, your credibility as a source certainly is. (And that of wherever you are getting this stuff)
 
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You can check the links mentioned in previous post, including the full report of the British museum, and database from University of Chicago.

I know the stupid things that Saddam did, but the institution who rebuilt the city are professional universities and experts from many countries. I do not think the British museum and other institutions have any interest to submit misleading information. This issue in the media now, and I am sure the American military leader will not shut up if the report include any lies.

kat said:
No, perhaps not...but a link..and your post..that states it is missing when it's been sitting at the Louvre for over a century does say a little something about a lack of accuracy.


As I said..I'd like to see more information for other sources as I know that overlooking the city was Saddams huge palace..and within the walls of the city were hundreds and hundreds of bricks placed there by Saddam with his name inscripted upon them...so, is that what was picked out of the gates? I'll with hold my condemnation until i get accurate reporting..that includes sites that don't still think that anything but a replica of Hammurabi's code was sitting in Iraqs musuem.
 
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Bilal, that link to the Baghdad museum hasn't been updated since the date it was created, right after the fabricated story broke. Its fiction.

More: http://www.chronwatch.com/editorial/contentDisplay.asp?aid=3073
 
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FYI
From the Iraqcrisis listserve that I've been a member of since the beginning of the liberation in 2003. Also note that it is polish troops who have been in charge here not U.S. troops, not that it matters per se as I think both would respect the site more then Saddam apparently did. See past reports of Saddams "improvements" and use of Babylon to hide military weaponry etc.

Some of the new additions to the 2003- Iraq War & Archaeology site:

* M. Scislowska, "Poland Says Forces Did Not Hurt Babylon
<http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050116/ap_on_re_mi_ea/poland_iraq_babylon&cid=540&ncid=1473>,"
in Yahoo! News, online, January 16, 2005: in reaction to McCarthy
and Kennedy January 15
<http://cctr.umkc.edu/user/fdeblauwe/iraq.html#Babylon_wrecked>:
"A Polish-led force moved out of Babylon last month in response to
a request by Iraq's culture minister and handed the site to
Iraqis. 'A military presence, by its nature, must have had a
negative influence on the site,' [spokesman for the Polish-led
force in Iraq Lt. Col. Artur] Domanski said in a telephone
interview from Iraq. 'We have pictures showing that some element
is missing, or has been dug out, or moved.' Domanski stopped short
of saying the soldiers had caused damage. He said a Polish report
documented the situation as of mid-December and did not give the
time when 'changes' to the site took place. Domanski refused to
assign blame, saying 'we do not point our finger at anyone' in the
unpublished Polish report, which has been given to the Iraqis.
Iraqi officials were consulted on all work done in the camp and
'any work was immediately stopped if they requested it,' Domanski
said. The officer stressed that the Polish-led force, accompanied
by three archaeologists, took care to preserve the site and
protect it from looters while based there between September 2003
and Dec. 20. Polish troops used no tanks or other tracked
vehicles in Babylon, Domanski said." " Polish Defense Ministry
spokesman Col. Piotr Pertek insisted in earlier comments to the
PAP news agency that no soldier in the multinational force
'performed any tasks that would ruin the monuments, cause
devastation or any other harm.'" "Domanski said the force did good
things for Babylon, installing a camera monitoring system,
cleaning soil contaminated by fuel and equipping Iraqi guards for
the site."
* "Polish army denies causing damage to historic Babylon
<http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20050116/wl_mideast_afp/iraqbritainusarchaeologybabylonpoland&cid=1514&ncid=1473>,"
in Yahoo! News, online, January 16, 2005: "'Neither Polish
soldiers or soldiers in the multinational division under Polish
command carried out any work which would have intentionally
damaged monuments' in the camp on the site of Babylon, the head of
the minister's press service Colonel Piotr Pertek told AFP on
Sunday." "'Since the Poles took possession of the camp, Polish
archaeologists have been watching over to ensure that the Babylon
monuments are not damaged,' he said. 'They are still there.' ...
But Polish archaeologist Miroslaw Olbrys told the Polish national
news agency PAP that 'some of the accusations in the report are
well founded.'" [Olbrys is one of the authors of the Polish report
mentioned in Curtis January 15
<http://cctr.umkc.edu/user/fdeblauwe/iraq.html#Curtis>]

For more, see my continuously updated and archived 2003- Iraq War &
Archaeology site (http://cctr.umkc.edu/user/fdeblauwe/iraq.html). This
site lists, summarizes, annotates and archives relevant news and
information regarding the Iraq War and its impact on
archaeological/historical sites/monuments/artifacts.

Please call or e-mail me if you have questions of substance. If you
make meaningful use of my web site, I expect you to mention me and/or
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http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050118/ap_en_ot/iraqi_artifacts


U.S. Returns 3 Stolen Artifacts to Iraq

Tue Jan 18, 6:56 PM ET

By TOM HAYS, Associated Press Writer

((The relics, used to seal correspondence, date to 2340-2180 B.C., the ambassador said.


"They are completely priceless," he said. "They are part of our history."


Nearly 15,000 items were swiped from the Iraqi National Museum after the U.S. invasion began, al-Sumaidaie said. Roughly half of those items have been located, sometimes with the help of a special team of federal agents dispatched to Iraq. ))
 
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