Two-sided Prinicipal Ideal - the Noncommutative Case - Dummit and Foote Section 7.4

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In summary, Section 7.4 of Dummit and Foote's book on Abstract Algebra discusses the properties of ideals in noncommutative rings. One important concept is the generation of a two-sided principal ideal, which may not be possible in the noncommutative case. The set \{ ras \ | \ r, s \in R \} is not necessarily the two-sided ideal generated by a since it may not be closed under addition. However, by allowing finite sums of elements of this form, the ideal generated by a can be expressed as the ideal RaR, consisting of all finite sums of elements of the form ras. This is illustrated with a concrete example in the text.
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I am reading Dummit and Foote's book: Abstract Algebra ... ... and am currently focused on Section 7.4 Properties of Ideals ... ...

I have a basic question regarding the generation of a two sided principal ideal in the noncommutative case ...

In Section 7.4 on pages 251-252 Dummit and Foote write the following:https://www.physicsforums.com/attachments/5899
https://www.physicsforums.com/attachments/5900In the above text we read:

" ... ... If \(\displaystyle R\) is not commutative, however, the set \(\displaystyle \{ ras \ | \ r, s \in R \}\) is not necessarily the two-sided ideal generated by \(\displaystyle a\) since it need not be closed under addition (in this case the ideal generated by \(\displaystyle a\) is the ideal \(\displaystyle RaR\), which consists of all finite sums of elements of the form \(\displaystyle ras, r,s \in R\)). ... ... "



I must confess I do not understand or follow this argument ... I hope someone can clarify (slowly and clearly :confused: ) what it means ... ...Specifically ... ... why, exactly, is the set \(\displaystyle \{ ras \ | \ r, s \in R \}\) not necessarily the two-sided ideal generated by \(\displaystyle a\)?The reason given is "since it need not be closed under addition" ... I definitely do not follow this statement ... surely an ideal is closed under addition! ... ... ... and why, exactly does the two-sided ideal generated by a consist of all finite sums of elements of the form \(\displaystyle ras, r,s \in R\) ... ... ?
Hope someone can help ... ...

Peter======================================================To give readers the background and context to the above text from Dummit and Foote, I am providing the introductory page of Section 7.4 as follows ... ...
 
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In the above text we read:

" ... ... If \(\displaystyle R\) is not commutative, however, the set \(\displaystyle \{ ras \ | \ r, s \in R \}\) is not necessarily the two-sided ideal generated by \(\displaystyle a\) since it need not be closed under addition (in this case the ideal generated by \(\displaystyle a\) is the ideal \(\displaystyle RaR\), which consists of all finite sums of elements of the form \(\displaystyle ras, r,s \in R\)). ... ... "



I must confess I do not understand or follow this argument ... I hope someone can clarify (slowly and clearly :confused: ) what it means ... ...
You might find it helpful to explore a concrete example. One of the simplest examples of a noncommutative ring is the ring $R$ of $2\times2$ matrices (over the real numbers, say). Suppose you take $a$ to be the matrix $\begin{bmatrix}1&0 \\0&0 \end{bmatrix}.$ If $r = \begin{bmatrix}r_{11}&r_{12} \\r_{21}&r_{22} \end{bmatrix}$ and $s = \begin{bmatrix}s_{11}&s_{12} \\s_{21}&s_{22} \end{bmatrix}$ then you can check that $ras = \begin{bmatrix}r_{11}s_{11}&r_{11}s_{12} \\ r_{21}s_{11}&r_{21}s_{12} \end{bmatrix}.$ Notice that $ras$ has determinant $0$.

Suppose now that we take $b = \begin{bmatrix}0&0 \\1&0 \end{bmatrix}$ and $c = \begin{bmatrix}0&1 \\0&0 \end{bmatrix}$. Then you find that $bac = \begin{bmatrix}0&0 \\0&1 \end{bmatrix}$. If $e$ is the identity matrix $e= \begin{bmatrix}1&0 \\0&1 \end{bmatrix}$ then $a = eae$, and $$eae + bac = \begin{bmatrix}1&0 \\0& 0\end{bmatrix} + \begin{bmatrix}0&0 \\0&1 \end{bmatrix} = \begin{bmatrix}1&0 \\0&1 \end{bmatrix} = e.$$ But the determinant of $e$ is not zero, so $e$ is not of the form $ras.$ So the above equation gives you an example of two matrices of the form $ras$ whose sum is not of that form.

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Specifically ... ... why, exactly, is the set \(\displaystyle \{ ras \ | \ r, s \in R \}\) not necessarily the two-sided ideal generated by \(\displaystyle a\)?The reason given is "since it need not be closed under addition" ... I definitely do not follow this statement ... surely an ideal is closed under addition! ... ... ... and why, exactly does the two-sided ideal generated by a consist of all finite sums of elements of the form \(\displaystyle ras, r,s \in R\) ... ... ?
That $2\times2$ matrix example illustrates the fact that the set \(\displaystyle \{ ras \ | \ r, s \in R \}\) can contain two elements whose sum is not in the set. In other words, the set need not be closed under addition and so is not necessarily a two-sided ideal.

But if you allow finite sums of elements of that form then they are closed under addition, because if you add two finite sums then the result is still a finite sum!
 
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You might find it helpful to explore a concrete example. One of the simplest examples of a noncommutative ring is the ring $R$ of $2\times2$ matrices (over the real numbers, say). Suppose you take $a$ to be the matrix $\begin{bmatrix}1&0 \\0&0 \end{bmatrix}.$ If $r = \begin{bmatrix}r_{11}&r_{12} \\r_{21}&r_{22} \end{bmatrix}$ and $s = \begin{bmatrix}s_{11}&s_{12} \\s_{21}&s_{22} \end{bmatrix}$ then you can check that $ras = \begin{bmatrix}r_{11}s_{11}&r_{11}s_{12} \\ r_{21}s_{11}&r_{21}s_{12} \end{bmatrix}.$ Notice that $ras$ has determinant $0$.

Suppose now that we take $b = \begin{bmatrix}0&0 \\1&0 \end{bmatrix}$ and $c = \begin{bmatrix}0&1 \\0&0 \end{bmatrix}$. Then you find that $bac = \begin{bmatrix}0&0 \\0&1 \end{bmatrix}$. If $e$ is the identity matrix $e= \begin{bmatrix}1&0 \\0&1 \end{bmatrix}$ then $a = eae$, and $$eae + bac = \begin{bmatrix}1&0 \\0& 0\end{bmatrix} + \begin{bmatrix}0&0 \\0&1 \end{bmatrix} = \begin{bmatrix}1&0 \\0&1 \end{bmatrix} = e.$$ But the determinant of $e$ is not zero, so $e$ is not of the form $ras.$ So the above equation gives you an example of two matrices of the form $ras$ whose sum is not of that form. That $2\times2$ matrix example illustrates the fact that the set \(\displaystyle \{ ras \ | \ r, s \in R \}\) can contain two elements whose sum is not in the set. In other words, the set need not be closed under addition and so is not necessarily a two-sided ideal.

But if you allow finite sums of elements of that form then they are closed under addition, because if you add two finite sums then the result is still a finite sum!
Thanks Opalg ... most helpful to have an example to clarify the issue ...

Appreciate your help ...

Thanks again,

Peter
 

Related to Two-sided Prinicipal Ideal - the Noncommutative Case - Dummit and Foote Section 7.4

1. What is a two-sided principal ideal in the noncommutative case?

A two-sided principal ideal is a subset of a noncommutative ring that is generated by a single element on the left and the right.

2. What is the significance of two-sided principal ideals in noncommutative rings?

Two-sided principal ideals are important because they allow for a more structured understanding of the elements in a noncommutative ring, similar to the role of cyclic subgroups in group theory.

3. How are two-sided principal ideals different from one-sided principal ideals?

In a one-sided principal ideal, the generating element only generates elements on one side (either left or right). In a two-sided principal ideal, the generating element generates elements on both the left and right sides.

4. Can a noncommutative ring have infinitely many two-sided principal ideals?

Yes, it is possible for a noncommutative ring to have infinitely many two-sided principal ideals. For example, the ring of all 2x2 matrices over a field has infinitely many two-sided principal ideals.

5. How are two-sided principal ideals related to other types of ideals?

Two-sided principal ideals are a special case of both two-sided ideals (which are generated by multiple elements on both the left and right sides) and principal ideals (which are generated by a single element on either the left or right side).

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