Transformations that are scalar invariant

In summary, the conversation discusses the invariance of scalars in classical mechanics and the confusion around it. The speaker raises the question of whether scalars are invariant under translations and boosts, and another person brings up the two definitions of scalars - the "fuzzy" definition and the technical definition. Ultimately, it is concluded that energy, though often considered a scalar, is not technically one and transforms as a component of a four-vector under coordinate transformations. The conversation ends with the acknowledgement that each case must be considered individually when determining the invariance of scalars.
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junfan02
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I am a bit confused about something!
Exactly under what kind of transformations are scalars invariant in the domain of classical mechanics?
The fact which is disturbing me is, say we have a moving body of certain kinetic energy in a certain inertial frame of ref, and then we choose to.observe it from a different inertial frame moving with a certain velocity w.r.t the frst one. The kinetic emergy of the body is certainly not invariant?
So are scalars not invariant under translations and boosts( not.sure if it can be called so within the classical domain) ?
 
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Hmm, I don't know if this will be helpful or not. There is the kind of "fuzzy" definition of a scalar as anything that isn't a vector, and there is the technical definition of a scalar as something that remains unchanged under any arbitrary coordinate transformation (diffeomorphism).

Energy, as you have indicated, is not technically a scalar. Technically, it is a component of the time-momentum four-vector. So it transforms as a component of a four-vector under arbitrary coordinate transformations.

Using the "fuzzy" definition you cannot say anything generally about the invariance of scalars under transformations. The "fuzzy" definition doesn't have fixed transformation properties so each one has to be taken on a case-by-case basis.
 
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Thank u very much!
 

Related to Transformations that are scalar invariant

1. What is a scalar invariant?

A scalar invariant is a mathematical quantity that remains unchanged under a transformation. This means that no matter how the coordinates or variables in a system are transformed, the scalar invariant will always have the same value.

2. Why are scalar invariants important in science?

Scalar invariants are important in science because they provide a way to describe and analyze systems without being affected by changes in coordinate systems or variables. This allows for a more accurate and consistent understanding of physical phenomena.

3. How do you determine if a transformation is scalar invariant?

To determine if a transformation is scalar invariant, you can apply the transformation to a given system and then check if the values of the scalar invariants remain unchanged. If they do, then the transformation is scalar invariant.

4. Can a transformation be both scalar invariant and non-invariant?

No, a transformation cannot be both scalar invariant and non-invariant. A transformation is either scalar invariant, meaning all scalar invariants remain unchanged, or non-invariant, meaning at least one scalar invariant changes.

5. How are scalar invariants used in physics?

In physics, scalar invariants are used to analyze and describe physical systems, such as in the study of symmetries, conservation laws, and energy transformations. They also play a role in the formulation of physical theories and models.

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