[Thermodynamics] Impossible Heat Transfer Problem

So it should be [m*c |water + m*c |liquid water]. Also, the value for L is the latent heat of fusion for water, which is typically 334 J/g.
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Gr33nMachine
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An insulated Thermos contains 122 g of water at 91°C. You put in a 13.7 g ice cube at 0°C to form a system of ice + original water.

Use mc(ΔT) |water + mc(ΔT) |ice + Lm |ice = 0

Final T = [(m*c*T) |water + (m*c*T) |ice - (L*m) |ice] / [m*c |water + m*c |ice]

Final T = [(.122*4.18*364) + (.0137*2.108*273) - (334*.0137)] / [.122*4.18 + .0137*2.108]

[STRIKE]Final T = 77.63K[/STRIKE]
IS WRONG

What am I doing wrong??
 
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assuming you went from
Use mc(ΔT) |water + mc(ΔT) |ice + Lm |ice = 0
to
Final T = [(m*c*T) |water + (m*c*T) |ice - (L*m) |ice] / [m*c |water + m*c |ice]

What is L and why is it 334.
 
  • #3
Gr33nMachine said:
An insulated Thermos contains 122 g of water at 91°C. You put in a 13.7 g ice cube at 0°C to form a system of ice + original water.

Use mc(ΔT) |water + mc(ΔT) |ice + Lm |ice = 0

Final T = [(m*c*T) |water + (m*c*T) |ice - (L*m) |ice] / [m*c |water + m*c |ice]

Final T = [(.122*4.18*364) + (.0137*2.108*273) - (334*.0137)] / [.122*4.18 + .0137*2.108]

[STRIKE]Final T = 77.63K[/STRIKE]
IS WRONG

What am I doing wrong??

In the denominator, you should be using the heat capacity of liquid water in both terms, since the ice is melted.
 

Related to [Thermodynamics] Impossible Heat Transfer Problem

1. What is the "Impossible Heat Transfer Problem" in thermodynamics?

The "Impossible Heat Transfer Problem" refers to a scenario where heat flow occurs from a colder object to a hotter object, which violates the second law of thermodynamics.

2. Why is this problem considered "impossible"?

This problem is considered impossible because it goes against the fundamental principle of thermodynamics, which states that heat always flows from a hotter object to a colder object, and not the other way around.

3. Can this problem be solved or overcome?

No, this problem cannot be solved or overcome. It is a fundamental law of thermodynamics and cannot be changed or violated.

4. What are the implications of the "Impossible Heat Transfer Problem"?

The implications of this problem are far-reaching as it affects various fields such as engineering, physics, and chemistry. It limits our understanding and ability to manipulate heat flow in different systems.

5. Are there any real-life examples of this problem?

Yes, there are some real-life examples of the "Impossible Heat Transfer Problem." One example is a hypothetical scenario where a cup of hot coffee gets colder when placed in a room that is at a higher temperature than the coffee. This goes against our everyday experience and the second law of thermodynamics.

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