Singularities of two variables rational functions

In summary, the conversation discusses the possibility of a positive lower bound for the quotient of a positive polynomial and the absolute value of two variables, and whether a positive rational function of two variables can have singular points at which the limit is neither final nor infinity. The conversation also explores the concept of a positive rational function and its requirements, and provides an example of a function that has a limit of 1 when approaching (0,0) as (h,h) and a limit of 4 when approaching (0,0) as (2h,h).
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Homework Statement



Let p(x,y) be a positive polynomial of degree n ,p(x,y)=0 only at the origin.Is it possible that
the quotient p(x,y)/[absolute value(x)+absval(y)]^n will have a positive lower bound in the punctured rectangle [-1,1]x[-1,1]-{(0,0)}?

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The Attempt at a Solution


When the limit at the origin is 0,there is no positive lower bound.If the limit is infinity (which is not seems to be possible) there is such lower bound.This quotient is a special case of rational function in each quadrant,and i try to analyse it.Can someone help?
 
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f:R^2->R, f(x,y)=1+sin(1/(x^2+y^2)) for (x,y)!=(0,0), f(0,0)=1?
Where is the point of the two variables and "positive"?
 
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This is not a rational function,it is not a quotient of two polynomials.
 
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hedipaldi said:

Homework Statement



Does a positive rational function of two variables can have singular points at wich the limit is nor final nor infinity?
What is that supposed to mean?
 
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for example (x^4+3X^2*Y+X*Y)/(X^2+6Y^2)
 
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I think the point of the restriction to positive f is to eliminate functions like
[tex]f(x,y) = \frac{(x - a)(y - b)}{(bx - ay)(bx + ay - 2ab)}[/tex]
where something clearly goes wrong at [itex](a,b)[/itex].

Clearly for a rational function to be positive, numerator and denominator must either both be negative or both be positive. That seems to require that the numerator and denominator have the same irreducible factors, and that for a given factor either both have it to an even power, or both have it to an odd power.
 
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Oh rational function, sorry.

$$f(x,y)=\frac{x^2+y^4}{y^2+x^4}$$
Where x4 just reduces the singular line to a single point and y4 makes it positive everywhere where the function is defined.

Approaching (0,0) as (h,h) gives a limit of 1, approaching it as (2h,h) gives a limit of 4, so the limit does not exist.
That seems to require that the numerator and denominator have the same irreducible factors
If you consider a factor with power 0 as factor.
 
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mfb said:
If you consider a factor with power 0 as factor.

True.
 

Related to Singularities of two variables rational functions

1. What is a singularity of a rational function?

A singularity of a rational function is a point on the graph of the function where it is undefined or discontinuous. This means that the function does not have a value at that point or the value is not defined due to division by zero.

2. How can I determine the singularities of a rational function?

To determine the singularities of a rational function, set the denominator of the function equal to zero and solve for the variable. The values of the variable that make the denominator zero are the singularities of the function.

3. Can a rational function have more than one singularity?

Yes, a rational function can have multiple singularities. This can occur when there are multiple values of the variable that make the denominator of the function equal to zero.

4. What is the significance of singularities in rational functions?

Singularities in rational functions can indicate points on the graph where the function is undefined or discontinuous. They can also affect the behavior of the function near these points, such as creating asymptotes or sharp turns in the graph.

5. How are singularities of rational functions related to complex numbers?

Singularities of rational functions can involve complex numbers when the function has complex coefficients or when the values of the variable that make the denominator zero are complex. In these cases, the singularities can be located on the complex plane.

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