Relativistic 3rd Law Question?

In summary, the conversation discusses the concept of non-instantaneous transfer of information and how it would work in a thought-experiment involving two electromagnets separated by a distance. Questions are raised about the equal and opposite reaction to the force on electromagnet B and the possibility of a strong propulsion device using electromagnetic fields. The expert summarizer explains that for this experiment to work, the separation between the electromagnets must be larger than the possible switching times and that B will absorb some of A's electromagnetic radiation, resulting in a tiny force on B and an imbalanced radiation field. The conversation concludes with an acknowledgment and clarification of the explanation.
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blainiac
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This is not a homework question, but I read elsewhere that questions for self-study were required to be placed in this section.

I had a question that pertains to the non-instantaneous transfer of information (limited at the speed of light, c) and how it would work in a thought-experiment.

Thought:

Imagine we had two powerful electromagnets, separated by a distance, d. Arbitrarily, when anything happens to one electromagnet (turned on, shut off, destroyed, etc.), the event won't be known to the other electromagnet until t = d/c.

So, imagine at t = 0 that electromagnet A is switched on for a duration of d/c, and then it is shut off and disconnected (open circuit or something). For the lifetime of electromagnet A, it feels no net force in any direction since it's electromagnetic field propagated in all directions equally without interacting with anything before being disconnected.

At t = d/c, we switch electromagnet B on, which should be just now be seeing electromagnet A's electromagnetic field. Since electromagnet B is now on and in its frame of reference sees electromagnet A is currently on also, it will interact with this field and feel a force in some direction.Questions:

Is the equal and opposite reaction to the force on electromagnet B applied to the electromagnetic field?
It seems to imply that a strong propulsion device reacting against EM fields is possible? What am I missing here?
It seems that the electromagnets will see and interact with the past version of the electromagnet, is this true?
 
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blainiac said:
Is the equal and opposite reaction to the force on electromagnet B applied to the electromagnetic field?
Yes. For this experiment to work the separation has to be larger than the possible switching times, which means B only sees electromagnetic radiation from A. It absorbs some of this radiation.
The force on B will be tiny, and its momentum is balanced by a now imbalanced radiation field.
 
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mfb,

Thank you for taking the time to reply. Your answer makes a lot of sense. I was just confused for a while as it seemed weird having non-instantaneous action / reactions. It seems the electromagnetic field makes it possible.
 

1. What is the Relativistic 3rd Law?

The Relativistic 3rd Law is a fundamental principle in physics that states that for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. It is a modification of Newton's 3rd Law of Motion to account for the effects of special relativity.

2. How does the Relativistic 3rd Law differ from Newton's 3rd Law?

While Newton's 3rd Law only applies to objects moving at non-relativistic speeds, the Relativistic 3rd Law takes into account the effects of special relativity, which occur at very high speeds close to the speed of light. It also considers the mass-energy equivalence, where mass and energy are interchangeable.

3. Can you give an example of the Relativistic 3rd Law in action?

An example of the Relativistic 3rd Law is the recoil of a gun when a bullet is fired. The force of the bullet being propelled forward is equal and opposite to the force of the gun recoiling backward. This principle also applies to the motion of particles at high speeds, such as in particle accelerators.

4. How does the Relativistic 3rd Law affect the concept of causality?

The Relativistic 3rd Law does not violate the principle of causality, which states that an effect must always follow its cause. Instead, it modifies our understanding of causality by accounting for the time and distance delays that occur in events at high speeds. This means that the cause and effect may not be simultaneous, but they still follow a cause-effect relationship.

5. What are the implications of the Relativistic 3rd Law in space travel and exploration?

The Relativistic 3rd Law has significant implications for space travel, particularly in propulsion systems. It explains the need for large amounts of fuel to accelerate a spacecraft to high speeds, as the force required is directly proportional to the mass and acceleration of the spacecraft. It also affects the concept of time dilation, where time moves slower for objects moving at high speeds, which must be taken into account for accurate navigation and communication in space.

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