Proving Euclid's Lemma: The Role of Primality in Divisibility

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In summary, irreducibility refers to the property of a number or polynomial that cannot be factored into smaller factors, while primality refers to a number that can only be divided by 1 and itself. To determine if a number is irreducible, it cannot be factored, and to determine if a number is prime, it can only be divided by 1 and itself. These concepts are significant in various mathematical fields and are connected through the Fundamental Theorem of Arithmetic and Eisenstein's criterion. A number can be both irreducible and prime, but not all irreducible numbers are prime.
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"If a prime p divides the product ab of two integers a and b,then p must divide at least one of those integers a and b."(its euclid lemma true for primes only) when i tried to prove it as:
let for any integer p divides ab (ab)=(pn) ;for some integer n (a*b)/p=n
since RHS is integer, therefore for LHS to be integer either (a/p) or (b/p) or both must be integer, which means either p divides a or b or both.(hence proved)
But there is no restriction on p to be prime yet? is there any mistake in it?
 
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Try some sample numbers with p being prime and nonprime to see how it plays out. Here's one to try with a nonprime.
If a is 4 and b is 15, and p is 6, see how that works and go from there.
 
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Suyogya said:
"If a prime p divides the product ab of two integers a and b,then p must divide at least one of those integers a and b."(its euclid lemma true for primes only) when i tried to prove it as:
let for any integer p divides ab (ab)=(pn) ;for some integer n (a*b)/p=n
since RHS is integer, therefore for LHS to be integer either (a/p) or (b/p) or both must be integer, which means either p divides a or b or both.(hence proved)
But there is no restriction on p to be prime yet? is there any mistake in it?

If ##a=2, b=3, p=6##, then you have a counterexample when ##p## is not prime.

In other words, in your "proof" you have said that as ##6## divides ##2 \times 3##, then either ##6## divides ##2## or ##6## divides ##3##.

It is necessary, therefore, that ##p## is prime.
 
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Rereading it looks like they telling you that p is prime. Your job is not to prove p is prime, but to prove it is a divisor of a or b. Try representing a and b as product of prime factors.
 
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scottdave said:
Rereading it looks like they telling you that p is prime. Your job is not to prove p is prime, but to prove it is a divisor of a or b. Try representing a and b as product of prime factors.
I proved it by assuming p an integer, hence should be valid for composites as well as primes, but its only for primes actually. so where its wrong
 
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Suyogya said:
I proved it by assuming p an integer, hence should be valid for composites as well as primes, but its only for primes actually. so where its wrong
See post #3.
 
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You have 2 examples of nonprimes, showing it doesn't necessarily work for nonprimes. I gave one in Post #2, and @PeroK gave one in Post #3.
 

1. What is the difference between irreducibility and primality?

Irreducibility refers to the property of a polynomial or number that cannot be factored into smaller non-constant factors. Primality, on the other hand, refers to the property of a number that can only be divided by 1 and itself without any remainder.

2. How can we determine if a polynomial is irreducible?

There are several methods for determining the irreducibility of a polynomial, such as the Eisenstein's criterion, the rational root test, and the Berlekamp's algorithm. These methods involve checking for certain patterns or properties within the polynomial to determine if it can be factored further.

3. What is the significance of irreducibility and primality in number theory?

Irreducibility and primality play important roles in number theory, as they are closely related to concepts such as prime numbers, factorization, and divisibility. These properties also have applications in cryptography, coding theory, and other areas of mathematics.

4. Can a number be both irreducible and prime?

Yes, a number can be both irreducible and prime. In fact, all prime numbers are irreducible, as they cannot be factored into smaller non-constant factors. However, not all irreducible numbers are prime, as there are some composite numbers that are also irreducible.

5. How are irreducibility and primality related to each other?

Irreducibility and primality are closely related, as both properties involve the inability to be factored further. In fact, a number is prime if and only if it is irreducible. This means that if a number is not prime, then it must have at least one non-trivial factor, making it reducible.

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