Prove that f is not integrable on [0,1]

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In summary: In particular, the one that makes the sum the largest possible. In summary, the conversation discusses the non-integrability of a function f on interval [0,1], with the use of the definition of integral using Riemann sum. The hint suggests to consider specific choices for x1 and corresponding values for x1*. By dividing the interval into n intervals, the first interval has a width of 1/n and taking x1* to be the right endpoint, it results in a value of n for f(x1*) and 1 for f(x1*)Δx. This can be made arbitrarily large by picking different x1*. The conversation concludes with the suggestion to look at the Riemann sum for n,
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Homework Statement


Let ##f(0) = 0## and ##f(x) = 1/x ## if ##0 < x \leqslant 1##. Show that ##f## is not integrable on ##[0,1]##.
Hint: Show that the first term in the Riemann sum, ##f(x_1^*) ~\Delta x##, can be made arbitrarily large

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Definition of integral using Riemann sum

The Attempt at a Solution


Using the definition, we have $$\int_0^1 f(x) dx = \lim_{n \to\infty} \sum_{i=1}^n f(x_i^*) \Delta x $$ Now I am not sure how the hint could be used here. Should I try to go for a proof by contradiction ?
 
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IssacNewton said:
how the hint could be used here
You need to consider specific choices for x1 and pick corresponding values for x1*.
 
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If we divide ##[0,1]## into ##n## intervals, then ##\Delta x = \frac{1}{n}## and the first interval would be ##[x_0, x_1] = [0, \frac{1}{n}]##. If we take ##x_1^*## to be right endpoint of the interval, then ##f(x_1^*) = 1/(1/n) = n## and hence ##f(x_1^*)\Delta x = 1## How can this be made arbitrarily large ?
 
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Nvm, didn't notice your last post :/
The definition of the Riemann integral eventually hinges on a limit. Specifically when all of your segments' width goes to zero. In this case, though, the tighter you pick your partition, the larger the sum will become, unbounded. Resulting series diverges.
 
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IssacNewton said:
If we divide ##[0,1]## into ##n## intervals, then ##\Delta x = \frac{1}{n}## and the first interval would be ##[x_0, x_1] = [0, \frac{1}{n}]##. If we take ##x_1^*## to be right endpoint of the interval, then ##f(x_1^*) = 1/(1/n) = n## and hence ##f(x_1^*)\Delta x = 1## How can this be made arbitrarily large ?

The hint looks like a hindrance to me. Try looking at the Riemann sum for ##n##, not just one term.
 
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PeroK said:
The hint looks like a hindrance to me. Try looking at the Riemann sum for ##n##, not just one term.
True, but...
IssacNewton said:
How can this be made arbitrarily large ?
So pick a different x1*.
 

Related to Prove that f is not integrable on [0,1]

1. What does it mean for a function to be integrable?

Integrability refers to a mathematical concept that describes a function's ability to be integrated over a certain interval. In simpler terms, it means that the area under the curve of the function can be calculated using a definite integral.

2. How can you prove that a function is not integrable on a specific interval?

To prove that a function is not integrable on a specific interval, we can use two different methods: the Riemann integral and the Lebesgue integral. In the Riemann integral, we can show that the function does not meet the necessary conditions for integrability, such as boundedness and continuity. In the Lebesgue integral, we can show that the function has a set of points that have infinite or undefined values, making it impossible to calculate the integral.

3. Can a function be integrable on some intervals but not on others?

Yes, a function can be integrable on some intervals but not on others. The integrability of a function depends on the characteristics of the function itself and the interval over which it is being integrated. A function may meet the necessary conditions for integrability on one interval but not on another.

4. What is the significance of proving that a function is not integrable?

Proving that a function is not integrable can have important implications in mathematics and other fields such as physics and economics. It can help us better understand the behavior of a function and its limitations, and it can also help us determine if certain problems can be solved using integration or if alternative methods need to be used.

5. Can a function be not integrable in the traditional sense but still have an integral?

Yes, a function can be not integrable in the traditional sense but still have an integral. This can happen when the function has a singularity or a discontinuity at a certain point within the interval, making it impossible to calculate the integral using traditional methods. In these cases, we can use techniques such as Cauchy principal value or improper integrals to calculate the integral.

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