Prove that a set with following properties is a group

In summary, the conversation discusses a proof of a problem in self-studying Abstract Algebra. The proof involves showing that G, a set closed under an associative operation and satisfying certain properties, is a group. The discussion highlights a flaw in the proof regarding the existence of a unique identity element and addresses it by stating that the existence of multiple identity elements depends on the element chosen. This is then resolved by clarifying that there is only one right and left identity element for all elements in G.
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AdrianZ
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Homework Statement


I'm self-studying Abstract Algebra from baby Herstein. This is an exercise in its problem sets:

Suppose that G is closed under an associative operation such that
1. given a,y in G, there is an x in G such that ax = y, and
2. given a,w in G, there is a u in G such that ua = w.
show that G is a group.

The Attempt at a Solution



well, I first tried to show that the identity element exists in the set. using the 1st property, we can let y=a where a can be any arbitrary element (I'm fixing one of the two). then the first one tells us that an element x exists s.t. ax = a for any a in G. doing the same thing, we can show that there is an element u such that ua = a using the second one. therefore we've proved that there are right and left identity elements contained in the set. Now I must show that the right and left identity elements are equal.

Now, first, before I go ahead, I need to prove that eR (the right identity element) = eL (the left identity element) which means that the right and left identity elements are in fact the same element in G.

eR = eL.eR (because eL is a left identity element it doesn't change anything if we left multiply eR by it) = eL (because eR is a right identity element).

therefore if e is a right identity element it is also a left identity element. Now It's easy to prove that e must be unique. (Herstein itself has proved it in the very beginning of the chapter).

well, now let e be the identity element. first I'll show that every element in G has at least a right and a left inverse element.
well, this time take y to be the identity element in G. in both cases the first postulate assumes that there exists an x in G that satisfies ax=e for any a in G. therefore for any a in G there is at least one right inverse for it. the same reasoning can show that for any a in G there is at least one left inverse for it using the second property.

Now that we've proved that the identity element is in the set and is uniquely determined we can prove that for every element in G there is a unique inverse. Now I want to switch to additive notion for convenience. (It's easier to type + and - than powers of a number by a standard keyboard, I hope it doesn't bother you). what we need to show is that for every element in G there is a unique inverse for it, namely -a that when a is in G we have: a+(-a)=e. (I don't use 0 here just to reduce the need of switching to different notions a lot).
well, we denote the right inverse of a by -aR and the left inverse of a by -aL.
we have: (-aL) + a + (-aR) = e + (-aR) & (-aL) + a + (-aR) = (-aL) + e.
e is commutative (we already proved that in previous step). therefore from e + (-aR) = (-aL) + e it yields -aR = -aL. that proves that the left and right inverses of a are the same. Now It's easy to prove that the inverse of an element of G is unique (Again Herstein itself has proved it).

well, the closure property is assumed although it can be proved without the need of assuming it I guess. since for any a in G there is a unique -a in G s.t. a + (-a) =e we can conclude that for any z,y in G there exists an x in G such that z + y = x.
well, let first take a=(-z): (-z) + x = y (the first property) => x = z + y. the other case that for any y,z in G y + z equals some x' in G can be handled the same way using the second property.

Associativity is assumed as well, therefore the set G satisfies all fundamental properties of a group and is a group.

well, Have I proved it correctly or there are flaws in my argument?
 
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Hi AdrianZ! :smile:

Your proof looks ok, there's just one gap:

AdrianZ said:
well, I first tried to show that the identity element exists in the set. using the 1st property, we can let y=a where a can be any arbitrary element (I'm fixing one of the two). then the first one tells us that an element x exists s.t. ax = a for any a in G

This is not true. You only have that, for a, there exists an x such that ax=a. But this x can depend on a!
That is, if b is another element, then it is not necessarily the case that bx=b. All you know is that there is an element y such that by=b. But nothing tells us that x=y...
 
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micromass said:
Hi AdrianZ! :smile:

Your proof looks ok, there's just one gap:



This is not true. You only have that, for a, there exists an x such that ax=a. But this x can depend on a!
That is, if b is another element, then it is not necessarily the case that bx=b. All you know is that there is an element y such that by=b. But nothing tells us that x=y...

Yea, I was also thinking about that part first but later forgot to come back to it. I mean what you're saying is that there might be millions of left or right identity elements depending on what a I choose; How did I know that there is only one right and one left identity element. right?
well, I asked myself the same question and then I thought because a can be any element in G then x should work for any a that I plug in. so what I claimed was that there exists an x in G that for any a we have: ax=a. but what you're saying is that for any a there exists an x in G that we have: ax=a and this x is not necessarily independent of the choice of a.
well, my proof is incomplete if I can't prove that this x is not independent of a. What should I do?
 
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Well, for a certain a, there exists an x such that ax=a. Now, prove that this x is good for all elements in our "group". For example, can you show that this x is idempotent?
 
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micromass said:
Well, for a certain a, there exists an x such that ax=a. Now, prove that this x is good for all elements in our "group". For example, can you show that this x is idempotent?

How can I prove that this x is good for all elements in our group?
And what should I do after if I succeeded to show that x is idempotent?
 
  • #6
You must use (2) in such a way to show that x is good for all elements in the "group".
 
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micromass said:
You must use (2) in such a way to show that x is good for all elements in the "group".

I have no idea how to do that. Would you give me a clear strategy of what I should follow that I could show that the x we're talking is good for all elements in the set G? It's not easy for me to see that I guess.
 
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AdrianZ said:
I have no idea how to do that. Would you give me a clear strategy of what I should follow that I could show that the x we're talking is good for all elements in the set G? It's not easy for me to see that I guess.

It's very easy once you know it, so I'm careful not to give away to much information.
Let's say you have ax=a. Is there a way to use (2) to change the a into b?
 
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well, I can use (2) and say there is a u in G such that ua=b for all a,b in G. then I can write down u(ax) = u(a). therefore (ua)x=(ua) and that yields bx=b. does that prove it or I'm lost? and If yes, is my proof complete now?
 
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AdrianZ said:
well, I can use (2) and say there is a u in G such that ua=b for all a,b in G. then I can write down u(ax) = u(a). therefore (ua)x=(ua) and that yields bx=b. does that prove it or I'm lost? and If yes, is my proof complete now?

That's good! :smile:
 
  • #11
so Now I'm done and can write down the proof completely without flaws?

If I ever take a real abstract algebra course, will the proof be so long as this one? I'm asking because if yes then it'll be so boring and tiring to write down such a long proof in your exam paper!
 
  • #12
No, I don't think that this exercises is a great reflection for what exam questions will be. This is indeed too long, and perhaps a bit too technical.
However, you will meet quite a few boring proofs in abstract algebra, but you'll need to get through those to reach the fun results :smile:
 

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What is a group?

A group is a mathematical structure that consists of a set of elements and an operation that combines any two elements in the set to produce another element in the set. It must satisfy four properties: closure, associativity, identity, and invertibility.

What are the properties that a set must have to be considered a group?

A set must have closure, associativity, identity, and invertibility to be considered a group. Closure means that the result of the operation on any two elements in the set must also be in the set. Associativity means that the order of operations does not matter. Identity means that there is an element in the set that, when operated on with any other element, results in that element. Invertibility means that for every element in the set, there is another element that, when operated on together, results in the identity element.

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Can a set have more or less than four properties and still be considered a group?

No, a set must have all four properties (closure, associativity, identity, and invertibility) to be considered a group. If it is missing even one of these properties, it is not a group. Additionally, a set cannot have more than these four properties and still be considered a group, as these are the fundamental properties that define a group.

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