Nonexistence of the universal set.

In summary: Therefore, the nonexistence of a universal set does not affect the existence of the physical universe. In summary, the discussion about the existence of a universal set is a purely mathematical one and has no implications for the physical universe.
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Mamooie312
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Yo. Wsup.

I watched a video about three years ago where this guy suppossedly provedthe nonexistence of the universal set. I can't find it now but what he said (rather quickly) was that from Cantor, every set is a subset. Therefore, there is no universal set.

1) Is this valid?
2) RW Implications? Is the Universe then, really a universe?

BTW I'm only about to complete engineering math so don't be too complex.

Thanks,
Mamooie
 
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There are no set of all sets within ZFC (the commonly used and acknowledged axioms for ordinary mathematics). The reason for this is that the existence of a universal set leads to contradiction. It would by the axiom of separation (an axiom of ZFC that essentially says that you can form new set from a former one by specifying the properties of the elements you pick) lead to the well-known http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell's_paradox]Russell's[/PLAIN] paradox. Alternatively, as you mentioned, the universal set must contain itself (or else it does not contain all sets), and that violates the axiom of regularity, but this is not nearly as enlightening.

These are technical difficulties due to our choice of axioms, we simply cannot speak of the set of all sets in ZFC. We do however frequently refer to the class of all sets (and classes of other things). Classes are objects which naturally does not have all the properties sets have, but in return you can define a class merely by specifying the properties of its elements. Proper classes are classes of sets that do not form sets themselves, and of course the universal class is such class. Classes are not formalized in ZFC.

Note that this has nothing to do with the physical universe, sets (and classes) are purely mathematical constructions.
 
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Related to Nonexistence of the universal set.

What is the concept of the universal set?

The universal set is a hypothetical set that contains all elements from all other sets. It is often denoted by the symbol "U".

Why is there a debate about the existence of the universal set?

There is a debate about the existence of the universal set because it raises philosophical questions about the nature of sets and whether there can truly be a set that contains all other sets.

What is the argument against the existence of the universal set?

The argument against the existence of the universal set is that if such a set were to exist, it would lead to logical contradictions and paradoxes, such as Russell's paradox.

Can the concept of the universal set be useful in mathematics?

Yes, the concept of the universal set can be useful in certain mathematical contexts, such as in set theory and logic, as a theoretical construct. However, it is not necessary for most mathematical operations and can often be replaced with other set constructions.

Is there a consensus among mathematicians about the existence of the universal set?

No, there is no consensus among mathematicians about the existence of the universal set. Some mathematicians argue that it is a useful concept for certain mathematical theories, while others argue that it leads to contradictions and should be avoided.

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