Nondimensionlize damped spring

In summary, the conversation discusses a vertically suspended spring with a mass attached and the corresponding differential equation. The system is nondimensionalized using dimensionless parameters to investigate the effect of the damping coefficient, b. The nondimensionalized system can be used to study the behavior of the system for different values of b. Some suggestions for improvement include using A/L instead of A/yc as a dimensionless parameter and using Pi1 and Pi3 to investigate the effect of b.
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Homework Statement


Vertically suspended spring with mass attached. F = ma gives the diff eq: m(d^2y/dt^2) + b(dy/dt) + ky = 0.

y(t) measures the vertical position (upward is positive) of the mass relative to the equilibrium position (how far the mass hangs down if it is not moving).
m = mass of the attached mass
b = damping coefficient of spring (units N*S/m)
k = spring constant (units N/m)

Consider the mass to be released from rest at height A, initial conditions:
y(0) = A and y'(0) = 0

Nondimensionalize the system using t=tcs, y(t)=ycz(s). Choose tc and yc in a way that permits the investigation of the effect of b. Write the nondimensional system using [tex]B[/tex]=b/sqrt(mk)



The Attempt at a Solution

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Here's what i got so far:
d/dt = (ds/dt)(d/ds) = (1/tc *d/ds)
d^2/dt^2 = (1/tc^2)(d^2/ds^2)

substitute into the system equation on the top gives:
(m/tc2)(d2/ds2(ycz(s))) + (b/tc)(d/ds(ycz(s))) + kycz(s) = 0

(myc/tc2)(d2z/ds2) + (byc/tc)(dz/ds) + kycz(s) = 0

dividing by (myc/tc2) gives:
d2z/ds2 + (btc/m)dz/ds + (tc2k/m)z = 0

Gives 3 dimensionless Pis:
Pi1 = (btc/m)
Pi2 = (tc2k/m)

Unsure about this (am i right?): the corresponding initial conditions are z(0) = A/yc and dz/ds (0) = 0.

If so, this gives Pi3 = A/yc.

Ideas for going further in this problem is that to pick certain Pis and work around to make the system into dimensionless based on dz/ds.
 
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Then can find the effect of b by looking at Pi1 and Pi2 for different values of B.

I would like to add some input to your solution. Your approach to nondimensionalizing the system is correct. However, there are a few things that can be improved:

1. The units of B should be N/(m*sqrt(N/m)) = sqrt(N/m). This means that B is already dimensionless and does not need to be divided by sqrt(mk).

2. Instead of using A/yc as Pi3, it would be more useful to use A/L, where L is the natural length of the spring (i.e. the length when there is no mass attached). This would make Pi3 dimensionless and give a more meaningful representation of the initial condition.

3. Instead of using Pi1 and Pi2, you can use Pi1 and Pi3 to investigate the effect of b. This is because Pi2 is already a combination of b and k, so using it separately would not give any new information.

4. To investigate the effect of b, you can fix the values of Pi2 and Pi3 and vary Pi1 (which represents b) to see how the system responds. For example, you can fix Pi2 = 1 and Pi3 = 1, and then vary Pi1 from 0 to 10 to see how the system behaves for different values of b.

Overall, your approach is correct and you have identified the important dimensionless parameters in the system. With a few improvements, you can use this nondimensionalized system to investigate the effect of b on the system.
 

Related to Nondimensionlize damped spring

1. What is a nondimensionalized damped spring?

A nondimensionalized damped spring is a mathematical model that eliminates the influence of physical dimensions in the analysis of a damped spring system. This allows for a more general and simplified understanding of the system's behavior and characteristics.

2. Why is nondimensionalization important in studying damped springs?

Nondimensionalization is important in studying damped springs because it allows for a more universal approach to understanding the behavior of different damped spring systems. By eliminating the influence of physical dimensions, researchers can identify and compare similarities and differences between systems without being limited by their specific physical characteristics.

3. How is a damped spring nondimensionalized?

A damped spring is nondimensionalized by dividing all relevant physical parameters (such as mass, stiffness, and damping coefficient) by a reference value for each parameter. This reference value is typically chosen to be the value that produces the most convenient and simplified equations for the system.

4. What are the benefits of using nondimensionalized damped spring models?

One benefit of using nondimensionalized damped spring models is that they allow for easier comparison and analysis of different systems. Additionally, nondimensionalization can help in identifying important system parameters and relationships between them, which can aid in understanding the behavior of the system and making predictions.

5. Are there any limitations to nondimensionalized damped spring models?

While nondimensionalization can provide valuable insights into the behavior of damped springs, it does have some limitations. Nondimensionalized models may not accurately represent the physical behavior of a specific system, as they ignore the influence of physical dimensions. Additionally, these models may be more complex and difficult to interpret than dimensional models.

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