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zoobyshoe said:I thought these were true:
This idea is probably an misunderstanding of one of the main causes of Korsakoff's Syndrome:DiracPool said:4. Alcohol kills brain cells: Umm, well, I think this myth "debunk" needs a little more study especially since my disability claim rests on it's validity, wink wink ;)
Korsakoff's syndrome (also called Korsakoff's dementia, Korsakoff's psychosis, or amnesic-confabulatory syndrome) is a neurological disorder caused by a lack of thiamine (vitamin B1) in the brain. Its onset is linked to chronic alcohol abuse or severe malnutrition, or both. -wiki
Yeah, I'm not sure about this one, because I recall reading that sex, in the case of men, actually releases soporific hormones, explaining why men always roll over and go to sleep afterward.5. No sex before the game: IDK about you, but the last thing I want to do after sex is play football or participate in a 10K run. MythConception counter-debunked!
I think sex before the game is usually in relation to the night before rather than immediately before.zoobyshoe said:This idea is probably an misunderstanding of one of the main causes of Korsakoff's Syndrome:
Chronic alcoholism can lead to thiamine deficiency, which causes Korsakoff's. That got misconstrued to, "Every glass of beer kills some number, n of brain cells," where n is proportional to the amount of alarm the teller of the tale wishes to incite.Yeah, I'm not sure about this one, because I recall reading that sex, in the case of men, actually releases soporific hormones, explaining why men always roll over and go to sleep afterward.
zoobyshoe said:Chronic alcoholism can lead to thiamine deficiency, which causes Korsakoff's.
You may well be right.Vagn said:I think sex before the game is usually in relation to the night before rather than immediately before.
I have read, though, the efficacy of vitamin supplements is a myth. Some respected physicist or mathematician who practiced crackpot biology on the side started this myth, IIRC. The history is very weird.DiracPool said:Funny you should mention that, because in the mid 90's I had to take a few classes at San Diego State (SDSU) to complete a degree I was working on, and I ran onto this young professor in the biology department that told me just that. We had lunch together up at the university center one day and he was all excited about his research showing that Korsakoff's was caused by a thiamine deficiency. I forgot his name, unfortuntately. However, this guy was so smart and convincing in his arguments that, to this day, if I drink, I always take a complex B vitamin supplement. No Korsakoffs here, mon
zoobyshoe said:I have read, though, the efficacy of vitamin supplements is a myth. Some respected physicist or mathematician who practiced crackpot biology on the side started this myth, IIRC. The history is very weird.
The allegation is that the efficacy of vitamin supplements in general is myth. It is an historical fact that it was started by a man who had no biology or medical training at all, just anecdotal personal experience. Because he was respected in some other scientific field, his claims had weight with the general public.DiracPool said:What myth? That Korsakoff's is caused by a thiamine deficiency, or that the efficacy of the supplements is suspect? If the latter, what is the alternative to compensate for the said deficiency? Raw Kale and spinach, etc.?
zoobyshoe said:The allegation is that the efficacy of vitamin supplements in general is myth. It is an historical fact that it was started by a man who had no biology or medical training at all, just anecdotal personal experience. Because he was respected in some other scientific field, his claims had weight with the general public.
It's only of vague interest to me. If you're concerned you'll need to google the issue yourself and find out what the exact claims are and what's disputed. I am pretty sure medical experts have claimed that manufactured vitamin supplements have no more than placebo efficacy.DiracPool said:Well, I'm a bit confused, just because the credentials of the pioneer vitamin supplement guy may be in question, doesn't mean that the army of qualified nutritionists and chemists, etc. that came after him were wrong too. The guy I was telling you about that I had lunch with had just completed a 2-3 year exhaustive study and was working on a major review article on the subject at the time. Our paths crossed because I was writing an article at the same time, and back in those days (before the internet), typically I sought reviews on my work by literally going door to door through the relevant department offices at the major universities. I used to shop my wares back in those days at SDSU, UCSD, UCIrvine, UCRiverside, and wherever else I could solicit a professional or semi-professional review of my work. That's how I found this guy at SDSU. Fortunately, I was enrolled in that college at the time so my access to the faculty was smooth.
In any case, this doesn't address the supplement issue. However, If you're wanting of a vitamin supplement of whatever species, it seems to me that you can roll the dice by taking the supplement, or guarantee failure by taking nothing. That's the way I look at it. Look at scurvy, how was that problm solved? The sailors stocked up on limes before their sea voyages. Vitamin C solved the problem, and that supplement was in the form of a lime.
zoobyshoe said:I am pretty sure medical experts have claimed that manufactured vitamin supplements have no more than placebo efficacy.
The claim is not that vitamins are a myth, but that taking artificially manufactured (i.e. not from food) vitamin supplements actually has no effect:DiracPool said:Lol. That's a pretty bold and reckless statement, Zooby, and especially immediate insofar as the example of scurvy I just brought up, and also people that are actually suffering from chronic and/or acute malnutrition. These people are given often times IV vitamin supplement treatments that may go some way to save their lives. The USRDA figures you see on the vitamin labels are the minimum RDA for prevention of disease, as far as I'm aware. Go below these guidelines, and you're going to be in trouble. My other guess is that, if you are below these RDA levels for certain vitamin supplements, then taking a supplement pill will bring you up to par. I'm not going to search for corroborating references right now, but my guess is that the FDA has looked into this.
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