Legendre transformation of the CR3BP equations

In summary, the conversation is about implementing a symplectic integrator for the closed restricted 3 body problem and deriving the Hamiltonian equations for it. The Hamiltonian is found to be a sum of the kinetic energy and the potential energy, with the potential energy being given by \Omega(x,y). The confusion arises from the notation used in the definition of the Hamiltonian and how to obtain the sum part of the equation. It is later clarified that the Lagrangian of the system is \ddot{x} - 2\dot{y} = \Omega_x and \ddot{y} + 2\dot{x} = \Omega_y. The correct approach to obtaining the Hamiltonian is then discussed, with the
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I'm not quite sure where to post this but I suppose it should go here given it's about classical mechanics...

Anyhoo. I'm currently on the long road to implementing a symplectic integrator to simulate the closed restricted 3 body problem and I'm in the process of deriving the Hamiltonian equations for it. I'm having a problem with this part as I'm finding the notation slightly confusing/misleading.

So anyway let's crack on...

We have the equations of motion for the three body problem as;

[tex]\ddot{x} - 2\dot{y} = \Omega_x[/tex]

[tex]\ddot{y} + 2\dot{x} = \Omega_y[/tex]

where [tex]\Omega(x,y) = \frac{x^2 + y^2}{2} + \frac{1-\mu}{r_1} + \frac{\mu}{r_2}[/tex].

Now, I'm following the below pdf where the Hamiltonian is found about halfway down page 5.

http://www.cds.caltech.edu/~koon/papers/specialist_final.pdf

It's given as;

[tex]H = \frac{(p_x + y)^2 + (p_y - x)^2}{2} - \Omega(x,y)[/tex] (I'm only dealing with planar case so have dropped the z part.

Now my information on Legendre transformations come from the wikipedia link here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legendre_transformation#Hamilton-Lagrange_mechanics.

We see that H is defined as...

[tex]H(q_i,p_j,t) = \sum_m \dot{q}_m p_m - L(q_i,\dot q_j(q_h, p_k),t)[/tex].

Now, from the pdf I'm following, it would appear that the L(...) part in the above definition is just [tex]\Omega(x,y)[/tex] and the sum part is;

[tex]\frac{(p_x + y)^2 + (p_y - x)^2}{2}[/tex]

but I can't quite figure out how to get the sum part.

As I understand it...

[tex]p_j=\frac{\partial L}{\partial \dot{q}_j}[/tex]

and so [tex]\sum_m \dot{q}_m p_m = \dot{x} \frac{\partial L}{\partial \dot{x}} + \dot{y} \frac{\partial L}{\partial \dot{y}}[/tex]

with [tex]q_1 = x[/tex], [tex]q_2 = y[/tex] (Perhaps this is what I'm getting wrong...)

But then that would equal zero which is clearly not right! (no [tex]\dot{x}[/tex] or [tex]\dot{y}[/tex] terms in L)

So can someone help me see where I am going wrong here? Do I have to alter or change [tex]\Omega[/tex] at all or does that just stay as it is?
 
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with [tex]q_1 = x[/tex], [tex]q_2 = y[/tex] (Perhaps this is what I'm getting wrong...)

But then that would equal zero which is clearly not right! (no [tex]\dot{x}[/tex] or [tex]\dot{y}[/tex] terms in L)

Ok this is where I have figured out my misunderstanding is.

I was taking L to be [tex]\Omega[/tex] which is not correct.

Am I right in saying that the set of equations below...

[tex]\ddot{x} - 2\dot{y} = \Omega_x[/tex]

[tex]\ddot{y} + 2\dot{x} = \Omega_y[/tex]

is the Lagrangian of the system?

If so then is below the right approach?

[tex]H(q_1,p_1) = \dot{q}_1 p_1 + \dot{q}_2 p_2 - L(q_1,\dot q_1)[/tex]

=> [tex]H(x,\frac{\partial L}{\partial \dot{x}}) = \dot{x} \frac{\partial L}{\partial \dot{x}} + \dot{y} \frac{\partial L}{\partial \dot{y}} - L(x,\dot{x})[/tex]

[tex] = 2\dot{x} - 2\dot{y} - L(x, \dot{x})[/tex]

Then do the same for [tex]H(q_1, p_2)[/tex] etc...

A quick look tells me this won't work but I can't see what I'm supposed to do instead. Notations very confusing...

Does m sum from 1 to 2 (in this case)?
 
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Ok this will be my final post on the matter as there doesn't seem to be any interest in this question.

My question now is as follows...

Where does [tex]\frac{(p_x + y)^2 + (p_y - x)^2}{2}[/tex]come from?

Why is it not just [tex]\frac{p_x^2 + p_y^2}{2m}[/tex] which would make sense being kinetic energy would it not?
 

Related to Legendre transformation of the CR3BP equations

What is the Legendre transformation of the CR3BP equations?

The Legendre transformation of the Circular Restricted Three-Body Problem (CR3BP) equations is a mathematical technique used to transform the Hamiltonian equations of motion into a set of canonical equations. This transformation is useful for analyzing the dynamics of a system with two large, gravitating bodies and a smaller, orbiting body.

Why is the Legendre transformation important in studying the CR3BP?

The Legendre transformation is important in studying the CR3BP because it simplifies the complex Hamiltonian equations of motion, making it easier to analyze the dynamics of the system. It also helps to identify important periodic and quasi-periodic solutions, such as Lagrange points and periodic orbits.

What are the key steps in performing a Legendre transformation of the CR3BP equations?

The key steps in performing a Legendre transformation of the CR3BP equations are: 1) identifying the Hamiltonian function for the system, 2) determining the conjugate momenta for each variable, 3) substituting the momenta into the Hamiltonian to obtain the Hamiltonian in terms of the momenta and coordinates, 4) inverting the Hamiltonian to obtain the new Hamiltonian in terms of the transformed variables and momenta, and 5) rewriting the Hamiltonian in terms of the new variables and momenta.

What are the advantages of using the Legendre transformation in studying the CR3BP?

There are several advantages of using the Legendre transformation in studying the CR3BP, including: 1) simplifying the equations of motion, 2) identifying important periodic and quasi-periodic solutions, 3) reducing the number of variables needed to describe the dynamics of the system, and 4) providing insight into the stability and behavior of the system.

Are there any limitations to using the Legendre transformation in studying the CR3BP?

While the Legendre transformation is a useful tool in studying the CR3BP, it does have some limitations. It assumes a two-dimensional, planar motion and does not account for any external perturbations or non-gravitational forces acting on the system. Additionally, it may not accurately describe the dynamics of highly eccentric orbits or systems with large mass ratios.

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