Lagrangian method for nonlinear ODE, 2nd order ?

In summary, the Lagrangian method, also known as the inverse variational problem or Noether symmetry approach, can be used to solve nonlinear ODEs of 2nd order. This involves finding a Lagrangian function that satisfies the Euler-Lagrange equation, which is equivalent to the original ODE. The Noether theorem can then be used to find symmetries of the Lagrangian, which can be used to obtain solutions to the ODE. However, this method may only provide partial solutions and some references for further information include the book "Applications of Lie Groups to Differential Equations" by Peter J. Olver and the paper "The inverse variational problem in classical mechanics" by Boris A. Kupersh
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Lagrangian method for nonlinear ODE, 2nd order ??

I have to solve non-linear ODE of 2nd order. The Maple routines can't find integrating factor. I think that's connected to Lie symmetries that can't be found.

I'm thinking of getting a Lagrangian for which that equation is the Euler-Lagrange equation and somehow guess a symmetry of the Lagrangian or perhaps choose more appropriate variables in the equation to obtain partial if not general solutions. Essentially that is looking for a Noether symmetry (Lagrangian method) vs Lie symmetry (integrating factor method).

Has anyone seen something like that? Give references if you can.
 
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Hello,

Yes, the Lagrangian method can be used to solve nonlinear ODEs of 2nd order. This method is also known as the inverse variational problem or the Noether symmetry approach. It involves finding a Lagrangian function that satisfies the Euler-Lagrange equation, which is equivalent to the original ODE.

To find the Lagrangian, you can start by rewriting the ODE in the form of a second-order Lagrangian system, where the dependent variable is the first derivative of the original dependent variable. Then, using the standard procedure for finding a Lagrangian, you can solve for the Lagrangian function.

Once you have the Lagrangian, you can use the Noether theorem to find symmetries of the Lagrangian, which can then be used to obtain solutions to the ODE. However, it should be noted that this method may not always provide a complete solution and may only give partial solutions.

There are a few references that you can look into for more information on this method. Some of these include the book "Applications of Lie Groups to Differential Equations" by Peter J. Olver and the paper "The inverse variational problem in classical mechanics" by Boris A. Kupershmidt.

I hope this helps. Best of luck with your research!
 

Related to Lagrangian method for nonlinear ODE, 2nd order ?

1. What is the Lagrangian method for solving nonlinear ordinary differential equations (ODEs)?

The Lagrangian method is a mathematical technique used to solve nonlinear second-order ODEs. It involves converting the ODE into a system of first-order equations using the Lagrangian function, which is a function of the dependent variable, its derivatives, and the independent variable. This method is useful for solving complex and highly nonlinear ODEs that cannot be solved by traditional methods.

2. How does the Lagrangian method differ from other methods of solving ODEs?

The Lagrangian method differs from other methods of solving ODEs in that it uses the concept of energy conservation to simplify the problem. It also does not require knowledge of the general solution, making it more versatile for solving a wide range of ODEs. Additionally, the Lagrangian method allows for the use of boundary conditions, making it useful for solving initial value problems.

3. What are the advantages of using the Lagrangian method for solving ODEs?

One of the main advantages of using the Lagrangian method is that it can handle highly nonlinear ODEs that other methods may struggle with. It also simplifies the problem by reducing the order of the ODE, making it easier to solve. Additionally, the use of energy conservation allows for a deeper understanding of the physical system being modeled.

4. Are there any limitations to the Lagrangian method?

While the Lagrangian method is a powerful tool for solving ODEs, it does have its limitations. It can only be used for second-order ODEs, so it may not be useful for higher-order ODEs. Additionally, it may not be the most efficient method for solving simple or linear ODEs.

5. Can the Lagrangian method be applied to systems of ODEs?

Yes, the Lagrangian method can be applied to systems of ODEs. In fact, it is commonly used in mechanics and physics to model systems with multiple degrees of freedom. The Lagrangian function is modified to include all of the dependent variables and their derivatives, resulting in a system of first-order equations that can be solved using the same method.

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