Lagrangian Mechanics and Differential Equations

In summary, the Wikipedia article on Lagrangian Mechanics states that we can use this approach to derive a new set of equations of motion, although they may be non-linear ODEs. These ODEs are generally difficult to solve analytically, so numerical methods such as the Euler method and Runge-Kutta method are often used. However, for second order non-linear ODEs arising from a Lagrangian, there is a systematic solution method based on point symmetries. For a system of two ODEs, two symmetries are needed, but for Lagrangian systems, only one is needed. Finding point symmetries for systems of ODEs can be challenging, but for the example of the nonlinear
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The Wikipedia article regarding Lagrangian Mechanics mentions that we can essentially derive a new set of equations of motion, thought albeit non-linear ODEs, using Lagrangian Mechanics.

My question is: how difficult is it usually to solve these non-linear ODEs? What are the usual numerical methods? Things like Velocity Verlet seem to really only apply to the system of linear ODEs.

(eg. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lagrangian_mechanics#Pendulum_on_a_movable_support the non-linear ODEs given here)
 
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It is generally impossible to solve non-linear ODEs analytically excepting a few special cases.
Usual numerical methods include the euler method, and the more advanced Runge-Kutta methods etc. Check the book "Numerical Recipes" (I don't remember the authors oops) and you will find a tonne...
 
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Well, actually ODE's arising from a Lagrangian are a special case.

For second order nonlinear ODE's a systematic solution method exists based on point symmetries. When you find two point symmetries, you can solve the ODE.

A second order ODE arising from a Lagrangian is special because you only need one point symmetry to solve it. For a system of two ODE's you would need two symmetries. However, finding the point symmetries of systems of ODE's can be quite difficult. Most existing algorithms are not guaranteed to terminate in a finite time.

But for the example of the nonlinear pendulum, you might try your luck with maple and look into Lie's symmetry methods for obtaining symmetries and solving ODE's.

If you just want a numerical solution, I recommend the Runge-Kutta method.
 

Related to Lagrangian Mechanics and Differential Equations

1. What is the difference between Lagrangian mechanics and Newtonian mechanics?

Lagrangian mechanics is a reformulation of classical mechanics that uses the Lagrangian function to describe the motion of a system. This approach is more general and can be used to solve problems with complex constraints. On the other hand, Newtonian mechanics is based on Newton's laws of motion and focuses on the forces acting on an object to determine its motion.

2. What are the basic principles of Lagrangian mechanics?

The basic principles of Lagrangian mechanics are the principle of least action and the principle of virtual work. The principle of least action states that a system will follow the path that minimizes the action, which is the integral of the Lagrangian function over time. The principle of virtual work states that the work done by the forces acting on a system is equal to the change in the system's kinetic energy.

3. How do you solve differential equations in Lagrangian mechanics?

In Lagrangian mechanics, the equations of motion are derived from the Euler-Lagrange equations, which are a set of differential equations. These equations can be solved using various techniques such as the method of variation of parameters, the method of undetermined coefficients, or numerical methods like Euler's method or Runge-Kutta methods.

4. What are some real-world applications of Lagrangian mechanics?

Lagrangian mechanics has numerous applications in various fields such as physics, engineering, and even economics. Some examples include analyzing the motion of a pendulum, predicting the orbits of celestial bodies, understanding the behavior of a double pendulum, and modeling the motion of a robotic arm.

5. How does Lagrangian mechanics relate to other branches of physics?

Lagrangian mechanics is related to other branches of physics such as quantum mechanics and general relativity. In quantum mechanics, the Schrödinger equation is derived from the Lagrangian function, and in general relativity, the principle of least action is used to derive the Einstein field equations. Additionally, Lagrangian mechanics is also closely related to Hamiltonian mechanics, which is another reformulation of classical mechanics.

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