Is the big bang actually a white hole?

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In summary: This means that in the beginning, when space was much smaller and had a lower expansion rate, the objects were flying away from each other much faster than the speed of light. However, as the expansion continued, the speeds of the objects would approach the speed of light. So even though the expansion was happening, at first it caused things to move away from each other faster than the speed of light.
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Because the speed of light cannot be exceeded, when the big bang happened, the matter that flew out could not have come out at the same time. If it did, the universe would be so crouded in it's first second, it would instantaniously create a large number of black holes swallowing most of the matter.
Would it be logical to conclude the singularity from our big bang was a black hole in a larger universe, that did not truly explode at once, but rather over a period of time, possibly right at this moment... A white hole?
I was watching long documentaries, and this concept just came into my head. What do you people think? Am I thinking about it the wrong way?
 
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AstronomyX said:
Because the speed of light cannot be exceeded, when the big bang happened, the matter that flew out could not have come out at the same time.

Matter flew out alright, but the thing that exceeded the speed of light was the expansion of space itself. That expansion doesn't (even today) require the actual movement of matter, though it appears to us that that's the case. The expansion of space can cause things embedded in it to appear to move away from each other at more then the speed of light, but that's an illusion. Nothing is actually moving.

As we speak, things at the edge of our visible universe are disappearing because they're receding from us faster than light can reach us. They aren't being accelerated; space is expanding.
 
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Cosmic natural selection, proposed by Lee Smolin, entertains the idea our universe originated from a black hole in another universe.
 
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AstronomyX said:
Because the speed of light cannot be exceeded, when the big bang happened, the matter that flew out could not have come out at the same time. If it did, the universe would be so crouded in it's first second, it would instantaniously create a large number of black holes swallowing most of the matter.
Would it be logical to conclude the singularity from our big bang was a black hole in a larger universe, that did not truly explode at once, but rather over a period of time, possibly right at this moment... A white hole?
I was watching long documentaries, and this concept just came into my head. What do you people think? Am I thinking about it the wrong way?

Welcome to PF, AstronomyX. As others have mentioned above, the forum rules do prohibit discussion of personal theories or non-mainstream science. However, I think you're more asking a question than putting forward a theory, so I'll let this thread continue.

With that said, you do appear to misunderstand some basic cosmology. For example, the 'big bang' is often described in popular science as an explosion, however this is not really accurate. The big bang model only says that the universe has expanded and cooled from an originally hot, dense state. In that way, it could appear analogous to an explosion, but once you try and dig deeper the analogy quickly breaks down (i.e. people often ask "Where did the big bang take place?" and the answer is everywhere!).

You might find it beneficial to take a look at our https://www.physicsforums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=206 forum, where we have answered some of the basic questions that are often asked; the "is the universe a black hole" question is addressed https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=506992 . Additionally, John Baez has a good article on this topic.

Anyway, have a read of those FAQ and articles, and feel free to post if you have any further questions.

PS. note that we have a cosmology forum, to which this thread has been moved.
 
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puncheex said:
Matter flew out alright, but the thing that exceeded the speed of light was the expansion of space itself. That expansion doesn't (even today) require the actual movement of matter, though it appears to us that that's the case. The expansion of space can cause things embedded in it to appear to move away from each other at more then the speed of light, but that's an illusion. Nothing is actually moving.

There are some misconceptions here. It is correct that the homogeneous big bang model does not describe the motion of objects relative to the expanding space, but it is not correct to say things like "the expansion of space exceeded the speed of light" or that the recession velocities of objects are an "illusion" and that they're not "actually moving".

The expansion of space does not proceed with a speed -- it is really a speed per distance per distance. Consider Hubble's Law: v = Hr, where v is the recession velocity, r the distance to the object, and H the expansion rate. For a fixed rate of expansion, H, we will observe a range of recession velocities in proportion to the distance to the object -- these objects really are receding from us on account of the expansion. Objects at a distance of c/H are receding at light speed -- this is true no matter what the expansion rate is! So it's not correct to talk about space expanding at this or that speed.

As we speak, things at the edge of our visible universe are disappearing because they're receding from us faster than light can reach us. They aren't being accelerated; space is expanding.
Objects receding from us at light speed are not invisible, i.e. the Hubble scale is not our current event horizon. To see why, think about what happens to a photon emitted towards Earth by a superluminally receding object. You'll find it reaches us just fine if the object is within our event horizon (but, say, still beyond the Hubble radius).

Today's expansion rate is increasing in time, so that objects are accelerating away from us. Eventually, these objects will traverse the event horizon and then become invisible.
 

Related to Is the big bang actually a white hole?

1. What is the big bang theory?

The big bang theory is a scientific explanation for the origin of the universe. It proposes that the universe began as a singular, extremely hot and dense point, and has been expanding ever since.

2. How was the big bang theory developed?

The big bang theory was developed through observations of the universe, such as the expansion of galaxies and the cosmic microwave background radiation, as well as mathematical models and theories from physics, such as general relativity and quantum mechanics.

3. What evidence supports the big bang theory?

There are several pieces of evidence that support the big bang theory, including the cosmic microwave background radiation, the abundance of light elements in the universe, and the expansion of galaxies. These observations align with the predictions made by the theory.

4. What are some criticisms of the big bang theory?

Some criticisms of the big bang theory include the inability to explain certain aspects of the universe, such as the uneven distribution of matter and the existence of dark matter and dark energy. Other theories, such as the steady state theory, have also been proposed as alternatives to the big bang theory.

5. Is the big bang theory widely accepted?

Yes, the big bang theory is currently the most widely accepted scientific explanation for the origin of the universe. However, it is still a subject of ongoing research and there may be refinements or revisions to the theory in the future.

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