Interpreting the Sine Integral in Physics

In summary, the integrals of cos(kx) and sin(kx) from 0 to infinity are undefined. However, physicists often use a hand-wavy interpretation where the cosine integral "converges" to the delta function, defined as the function that satisfies ∫dx δ(x) f(x) = f(0). Similarly, there may be a hand-wavy interpretation for the sine integral. This approach has been criticized by mathematicians, but it remains a common practice among physicists.
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Properly speaking, since [itex]sin(x)[/itex] and [itex]cos(x)[/itex] don't go to zero as [itex]x \rightarrow \infty[/itex], the following integrals are undefined:

[itex]\int_0^{\infty} cos(kx) dk[/itex]
[itex]\int_0^{\infty} sin(kx) dk[/itex]

However, in the handwavy way of physicists, we can often pretend that the cosine integral "converges" to [itex]\delta(x)[/itex], where [itex]\delta(x)[/itex] is defined via:

[itex]\int dx \delta(x) f(x) = f(0)[/itex]

This interpretation is sort-of justified because for nicely-behaved functions [itex]f[/itex], we can prove:

[itex]\int_{0}^{+\infty} dk (\int_{-\infty}^{+\infty} f(x) cos(kx) dx) = f(0)[/itex]

If we blithely switch the order of integration, then we can write this as:

[itex]\int_{-\infty}^{+\infty} dx f(x) (\int_{0}^{+\infty} cos(kx) dk) = f(0)[/itex]

which sort of justifies identifies the inner integral with [itex]\delta(x)[/itex].

My question is: Is there a related, equally hand-wavy interpretation of the sine integral?
 
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stevendaryl said:
However, in the handwavy way of physicists, we can often pretend that the cosine integral "converges" to δ(x)δ(x)\delta(x), where δ(x)δ(x)\delta(x) is defined via:

how you can say that? we know the function oscillates!
 
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drvrm said:
how you can say that? we know the function oscillates!

That's why the word "converges" is in scare-quotes. The integral doesn't converge. However, for certain purposes, we can often act as if it converges to the delta function. (And for certain purposes, we can act as if the delta function is actually a function).
 
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drvrm said:
how you can say that? we know the function oscillates!
That's typical answer of Mathematicians a century ago !
 
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stevendaryl said:
My question is: Is there a related, equally hand-wavy interpretation of the sine integral?
By substituting ##\sin(kx)=\cos(kx-\pi/2)## into the integral of sine and then use the substitution technique to compute the integral as well as the hand-wavy definition of the cosine integral, I got an extremely unintuitive answer of ##\pi/(2x)##.
 
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JJacquelin said:
That's typical answer of Mathematicians a century ago !
And still the answer in the ongoing war between mathematicians and physicists!
 
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Related to Interpreting the Sine Integral in Physics

1. What is the sine integral and how is it used in physics?

The sine integral is a mathematical function that is used to calculate the area under a sine curve. In physics, it is often used to calculate the displacement, velocity, and acceleration of an object in simple harmonic motion.

2. How is the sine integral different from the regular sine function?

The regular sine function gives the value of the sine of an angle, while the sine integral gives the area under a sine curve. The sine integral also has a wider range of values and is defined for all real numbers, unlike the regular sine function which is only defined for angles.

3. Can the sine integral be used for non-sinusoidal motion?

Yes, the sine integral can be used for any motion that can be represented by a sine curve, including non-sinusoidal motion. This is because the sine integral calculates the area under the curve, not just the area under a perfect sine curve.

4. How is the sine integral related to energy in physics?

The sine integral is related to energy in physics through the concept of potential energy. In simple harmonic motion, the potential energy of an object is directly proportional to the square of its displacement. The sine integral is used to calculate this potential energy by finding the area under the sine curve.

5. Is there a specific formula or equation for the sine integral?

Yes, there is a specific formula for the sine integral, which is ∫sin(x)/x dx. However, this integral does not have a closed-form solution and must be approximated using numerical methods. There are also several variations of the sine integral, such as the cosine integral and the exponential integral, which have different formulas and applications in physics.

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