Interference on paper, ground glass etc. surfaces

In summary, the conversation discusses the familiar sight of interference patterns on surfaces caused by laser pointers. However, the actual "detectors" in these experiments are not on the surface, but on the human retina. It is a coincidence that these scattered laser waves create interference maxima on the retina, where a detector would have cast its image if there had been one on the surface. The question is whether there is an explanation for this without complex mathematics and if there are exceptions to this principle. The answer is that while Maxwell's equations can explain the first part, to the best of the speaker's knowledge, there are no quantum mechanical phenomena where scattered light behaves non-classically that can be observed using a common laser pointer.
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With laser pointers being so ubiquitous, everyone is familiar with the sight of interference patterns on paper, ground glass and other surfaces (not to mention more subtle experiments like this one): Quantum Eraser -- which has been discussed recently in other threads. We take it for granted that interference patterns on the ground glass would effectively behave like glowing phosphor and cast corresponding images on our retinas.

But then, the actual "detectors" in such experiments are obviously not on the ground glass surface, but on the human retina. It is on the retina that waves add and cancel and produce the interference fringes. Yet we see these fringes as if the paper was coated with some kind of phosphor, which was absorbing incident photons and re-emiiting new photons towards the observer's eye, according to the local detection probability on the screeen surface.

On the one hand, it seems intuitively reasonable to expect that more photons would scatter from surfaces where more photons would have been detected IF there had been detectors there. On the other hand, it seems like a bit of a coincidence that those randomly scattered laser waves should create interference maxima on the retina, at those very places there the detector would have cast its phosphorescent image, if there had been a tiny detector on the surface of the ground glass.

So my question is : is there an explanation for this that can be understood without too much mathematics... and secondly, are there exceptions to this -- i.e. can the image on the retina have a less simple relation to the local intensity on the screen surface?

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S T
 
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Precisely why do you think QM has anything to do with these things we experience every day? There is this well known theory called Maxwell's equations that is perfectly able to explain that.

The interference effects you mention have nothing to do with the retina - they happen regardless if its observed or not.

Thanks
Bill
 
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Perhaps I ought to have posted this in the general physics forum. Anyway, so Maxwell's equations can explain the first part of the question. How about exceptions to the principle? Are there quantum mechanical phenomena where the scattered light behaves in an non-classical way ? If so, can they be observed using a common or garden laser pointer?
 
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Swamp Thing said:
Perhaps I ought to have posted this in the general physics forum. Anyway, so Maxwell's equations can explain the first part of the question. How about exceptions to the principle? Are there quantum mechanical phenomena where the scattered light behaves in an non-classical way ? If so, can they be observed using a common or garden laser pointer?

To the best of my knowledge - no.

Other than of course lasers themselves require QM to explain.

Thanks
Bill
 

Related to Interference on paper, ground glass etc. surfaces

What causes interference on paper, ground glass, and other surfaces?

Interference on these surfaces is caused by the interaction of light waves with the microscopic structures of the surface. When light waves hit the surface, they reflect, refract, and diffract in different directions, resulting in a visible interference pattern.

Why do some surfaces show more interference than others?

The amount of interference observed on a surface depends on the material and its properties, as well as the angle and intensity of the light hitting the surface. Rougher surfaces with more irregularities tend to produce more interference than smoother surfaces.

Can interference patterns on surfaces be controlled or manipulated?

Yes, interference patterns on surfaces can be controlled and manipulated by changing the angle and intensity of the light source, as well as by altering the properties of the surface itself. This is why interference patterns can be seen in different colors and shapes on different surfaces.

What applications does interference on surfaces have?

Interference on surfaces has various applications in science and technology. It is used in microscopy, spectroscopy, and other analytical techniques to study the properties of materials. It is also utilized in the creation of anti-reflective coatings and in the production of holograms and other optical devices.

Can interference on surfaces be seen with the naked eye?

Yes, some interference patterns on surfaces can be seen with the naked eye, such as the rainbow-like colors seen on oil slicks or the iridescent colors on soap bubbles. However, more precise and detailed interference patterns require specialized equipment, such as microscopes or spectrometers, to be seen and studied.

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