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The title kind of says it all, but I'm searching for a textbook that has a heavy theoretical approach. Could someone help me with a recommendation?
anachin6000 said:The title kind of says it all, but I'm searching for a textbook that has a heavy theoretical approach. Could someone help me with a recommendation?
First.PeroK said:Is this a first textbook or advanced?
anachin6000 said:First.
Sort of, but it's also important that most formulas are short so that one can comprehend their conceptual meaning at a single glance. An example would be the equation for the Green function written asdextercioby said:In other words (4), more text, less formulas.
A good theoretical book on Quantum Mechanics is Gottfried https://www.amazon.com/dp/0387220232/?tag=pfamazon01-20anachin6000 said:The title kind of says it all, but I'm searching for a textbook that has a heavy theoretical approach. Could someone help me with a recommendation?
Hm, I hate textbooks with a suada of words like "as one easily sees, the following theory of everything is valid" instead of writing the one or other formula to derive it! Take Sommerfeld's 6-volume lecture series: Many formulae with the right amount of words. The result is a didactic master piece. If you look at the list of his pupils, it should be proof enough that this is the way theoretical physics should be taught!dextercioby said:In other words (4), more text, less formulas.
vanhees71 said:For a first book philosophy is confusing (it's confusing even for the advanced physicist) and not very helpful concerning the understanding of the hard facts about QT. I don't understand, how you can recommend Landau and Lifshitz and Weinberg with the argument "philsophy is more important than theory"! I'd recommend these very books for the opposite reason. They do not contain unnecessary philosophical gibberish but follow a "no-nonsense approach". I like Landau and Lifshitz, but for my taste it's too much "wave-mechanics centered" in its approach rather than starting in the very beginning with the Dirac approach, which makes the underlying logic of QT much more explicit than using a specific representation (i.e., the position representation). I'd however not recommend Weinberg as a first read, because it's pretty advance (but of course brilliant as any textbook by Weinberg). If I had to teach QM1, I'd still recommend J. J. Sakurai's book, from which I learned QT as a student in my QM1 lecture.
vanhees71 said:Hm, I don't find much "philosophy" in either of these books; perhaps most is in Weinberg's about "interpretation".
vanhees71 said:Yes, concerning "representation" L&L is very good, at least there's no collapse ;-).
vanhees71 said:Yes, concerning "representation" L&L is very good, at least there's no collapse ;-).
Oh no, not again!atyy said:L&L have collapse :)
Yes, but physics is not only theoretical physics. A first book on a topic such as QM should be understandable to all physicists.vanhees71 said:Hm, I hate textbooks with a suada of words like "as one easily sees, the following theory of everything is valid" instead of writing the one or other formula to derive it! Take Sommerfeld's 6-volume lecture series: Many formulae with the right amount of words. The result is a didactic master piece. If you look at the list of his pupils, it should be proof enough that this is the way theoretical physics should be taught!
Wave mechanics is also useful in order to understand that quantum mechanics is a modification of classical mechanics, and not something completely different from everything else what one learned about physics before.mpresic said:I do not criticize (as some do) that some texts are wave-mechanics oriented. I think this may be more natural to some (e.g. chemists) than the abstract Dirac notation approach, especially in an introductory course.
smodak said:Cannot say for others, but I did find learning through Dirac notation much easier than the wave mechanics. I find the spins -first approach (used by Sakurai, Townsend, McIntyre etc.) using Dirac notation from the get go the easiest (and some would argue most modern way) to learn quantum mechanics.
I would not put it quite that way. I think there are two basic approachesDemystifier said:So there are at least two types of QM textbooks:
1. wave function first
2. spin first
Are there any others? A path-integral first perhaps?
Well, the assumption is that we know basic linear algebra before starting to learn Quantum mechanics - Dirac notation is 'syntactic sugar' - a very sweet one for me :) As I said, it really worked for me but every one learns differently and there is no panacea.PeroK said:The advantage for me of not learning Dirac notation immediately was that it was one less thing to worry about. I could rely on my knowledge of linear algebra, very much as an anchor. Learning Dirac notation was not initially essential and could wait.
It also seems to me from questions in this forum that many students rely on Dirac as some sort of algebraic magic, without much understanding of the linear algebra that underpins it.
Demystifier said:Are there any others?
Some good examples?Vanadium 50 said:Commutators first.
Demystifier said:Some good examples?
dextercioby said:I would take out the Heisenberg microscope and the sound wave analogy from any textbook.