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im curious...what does it take for someone to be immortal? i was having this argument with a friend, but was never finished, and we never seem to be able to start again... anyone care for a duel?
Dresden said:im curious...what does it take for someone to be immortal? i was having this argument with a friend, but was never finished, and we never seem to be able to start again... anyone care for a duel?
Rade said:to be immortal is to be in infinite motion ...
Dresden said:just because they are made of energy, that does not mean that they are immortal. the engergy itself is never ending, however it CAN change form, therefore WE can change form, hence die as we would not have the same human (or animal) form
We know it "because" it never ends. For example, consider the limit (L) of the calculus, no matter how hard you try you can never reach (L), the process of trying to reach (L) = infinity. Second, consider the number line, both positive and negative, no matter how hard you try you can never find the "ends of the line", --again, the process of taking a new number and forming union with the line = infinity. The immortal is like the infinite, it is never whole, it is never complete, it is always "taking a part outside what has been already taken" (from Aristotle, Physica, Book III, Chapter 6).nannoh said:...my question is how can we know or even recognize "infinity"? How can we know immortality if it "never ends"...
Rade said:We know it "because" it never ends. For example, consider the limit (L) of the calculus, no matter how hard you try you can never reach (L), the process of trying to reach (L) = infinity. Second, consider the number line, both positive and negative, no matter how hard you try you can never find the "ends of the line", --again, the process of taking a new number and forming union with the line = infinity. The immortal is like the infinite, it is never whole, it is never complete, it is always "taking a part outside what has been already taken" (from Aristotle, Physica, Book III, Chapter 6).
True, but we are in a condition to intuit that infinity exists [see here:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intuition_%28knowledge%29] . And don't put much weight on the fact that humans cannot "prove", such is not the way of science.nannoh said:... as observers we are in no condition to prove infinity exists...
Rade said:True, but we are in a condition to intuit that infinity exists [see here:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intuition_%28knowledge%29] . And don't put much weight on the fact that humans cannot "prove", such is not the way of science.
Sorry, try this:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intuition_(knowledge)nannoh said:The link you gave was a "bad title". The error sites invalid characters or something.
"Immortal" can have different meanings, but in this context, it refers to the ability to live forever without aging or dying.
At this point in time, there is no scientific evidence to suggest that it is possible for a human to become truly immortal. However, there have been studies and experiments done on extending lifespan and delaying aging.
There are various factors that can contribute to a longer lifespan, such as genetics, lifestyle choices, and access to healthcare. Some studies have also shown that calorie restriction and certain supplements may have an impact on longevity.
It is difficult to say for certain, but advancements in technology such as gene editing and regenerative medicine could potentially play a role in extending lifespan and delaying aging. However, there are also ethical considerations to take into account.
There are some organisms in nature that exhibit a form of immortality, such as certain types of jellyfish and bacteria. However, these are not comparable to human immortality as they still experience cell death and do not possess consciousness or self-awareness.