How do we get this equality about bilinear form

In summary, the conversation discusses the bilinear form B(u,v) and its properties of being symmetric and variational. The question is raised about the presence of \frac{1}{2} in the expression involving the variational operator δ. The expert summarizes that it comes from the same reason as in the example of x\, dx = \frac{1}{2} d(x^2). The expert also confirms that the form B(u,v) is indeed B(u,v)= \int_0^L \frac{\partial u}{\partial x}\frac{\partial v}{\partial x}dx.
  • #1
omer21
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Homework Statement



[itex]B(u,u)=\int_{0}^{L}a\frac{du}{dx}\frac{du}{dx}dx[/itex]
B(.,.) is bilinear and symmetric, δ is variational operator.

In the following expression, where does [itex]\frac{1}{2}[/itex] come from? As i know variational operator is commutative why do not we just pull δ to the left?

[itex]B(\delta u,u)=\int_{0}^{L}a\frac{d\delta u}{dx}\frac{du}{dx}dx=\delta\int_{0}^{L}\frac{a}{2}\left(\frac{du}{dx}\right)^{2}dx=\frac{1}{2}δ\int_{0}^{L}a\frac{du}{dx}\frac{du}{dx}dx=\frac{1}{2}δ\left[B(u,u)\right]
[/itex]
 
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  • #2
First, the "binlinear form" you have written makes no sense since it does not operate on two things in order to be bilinear. Is it possible that the form is
[tex]B(u, v)= \int_0^L \frac{\partial u}{\partial x}\frac{\partial v}{\partial x}dx[/tex]
?
 
  • #3
omer21 said:

Homework Statement



[itex]B(u,u)=\int_{0}^{L}a\frac{du}{dx}\frac{du}{dx}dx[/itex]
B(.,.) is bilinear and symmetric, δ is variational operator.

In the following expression, where does [itex]\frac{1}{2}[/itex] come from? As i know variational operator is commutative why do not we just pull δ to the left?

[itex]B(\delta u,u)=\int_{0}^{L}a\frac{d\delta u}{dx}\frac{du}{dx}dx=\delta\int_{0}^{L}\frac{a}{2}\left(\frac{du}{dx}\right)^{2}dx=\frac{1}{2}δ\int_{0}^{L}a\frac{du}{dx}\frac{du}{dx}dx=\frac{1}{2}δ\left[B(u,u)\right]
[/itex]

It comes from the same place as it does in [itex] x\, dx = \frac{1}{2} d(x^2),[/itex] and does so for exactly the same reason.

RGV
 
  • #4
HallsofIvy said:
[tex]B(u, v)= \int_0^L \frac{\partial u}{\partial x}\frac{\partial v}{\partial x}dx[/tex]

Yes, it is.

@Ray vickson

Could you explain in more details?
 

Related to How do we get this equality about bilinear form

1. What is a bilinear form?

A bilinear form is a mathematical function that takes in two vector inputs and produces a scalar output. It is often represented as a matrix and is used to describe the relationship between two vector spaces.

2. How is a bilinear form related to equality?

Bilinear forms are used to test for equality between vectors. If the bilinear form of two vectors is equal, then the vectors are considered to be equal as well.

3. Why is it important to have equality in bilinear forms?

Equality in bilinear forms is important because it allows us to compare and analyze vectors in a mathematical and consistent way. It also allows us to identify relationships between vectors and make conclusions about them.

4. How do we determine equality in bilinear forms?

To determine equality in bilinear forms, we can use various methods such as calculating the matrix representation of the bilinear form and comparing it to other forms, or using properties of bilinear forms such as symmetry and linearity.

5. Can two different bilinear forms have the same equality?

Yes, it is possible for two different bilinear forms to have the same equality. This is because there are multiple ways to represent the same relationship between two vector spaces using bilinear forms.

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