How can I evaluate a tricky Euler-Maclaurin sum involving hyperbolic functions?

  • Thread starter FranzDiCoccio
  • Start date
  • Tags
    Sum
In summary, Strum says that he is not sure if the function F(b,\ell) vanishes as b^{2\ell-1} or not. He expects it to vanish because F(b,\ell) is a constant for b=0, but he is not sure if it does or not.
  • #1
FranzDiCoccio
342
41
Hi everybody,

I'm facing a tricky summation problem. The problem is (both mathematically and physically) related to this thread I started a while ago. I'm starting a new thread because the functions are not exactly the same, and I have (perhaps) made some progress, using Euler-Maclaurin sum formula. However, there is something that still really puzzles me.

So, my goal would be to evaluate a function

[tex]
F(b,\ell) = \sinh(2 \ell\, b)- \sum_{k=1}^{\ell-1} e^{2 \ell\, b\, c_k} \left(2 \ell\, b\, s_k^2-c_k \right)
[/tex]
where
[tex]
f_k(b,\ell) = e^{2 \ell\, b\, c_k} \left(2 \ell\, b\, s_k^2-c_k \right)= -\frac{\ell}{\pi}\frac{d}{dk} \left(s_k e^{2 \ell\, b\, c_k}\right)
[/tex]

[tex]
c_k = \cos \left(\frac{\pi}{\ell} k\right)
, \quad s_k = \sin \left(\frac{\pi}{\ell} k\right)
[/tex]and [itex]\ell[/itex] is a positive integer. Actually, I'd like to find out the result for large [itex]\ell[/itex] .

I thought of using the Euler-Maclaurin sum formula (EMSF) to evaluate the sum.

The result seems to be that the above sum exactly cancels the hyperbolic sin everywhere.
Specifically, as it is easy to check, the integral term in the EMSF vanishes. The term in the EMSF involving the value of [itex]f_k[/itex] at [itex]k=0[/itex] and [itex]k=\ell[/itex] is exactly the sinh term.

Thus [itex]F[b,L][/itex] should be given by the series containing the Bernoulli numbers and the (odd) derivatives of [itex]f_k[/itex] evaluated at [itex]k=0[/itex] and [itex]k=\ell[/itex].
The problem is that it seems to me that all of these derivatives contain an overall factor [itex]s_k[/itex], which is exactly zero at both "endpoints". Several tests using Mathematica confirm this.

But this cannot be right. I know (e.g. numerically) that [itex]F[b,\ell][/itex] is not zero at all. I expect that [itex]F[b,\ell]\sim C b^{2\ell-1} [/itex] for small [itex]b [/itex].

I do not understand what's wrong.

Thanks a lot for your interest.
F
 
Physics news on Phys.org
  • #2
How sure are you about the scaling of ##F[b,l]##? Expanding around ## b = 0## seems to give zero to second order.
 
  • #3
Hi Strum,

thanks for your interest in my problem. I hope you can help me.

As to your comment, I'm not sure I understand it. Are you saying that you find a nonzero contribution to the third order? Or that you find zero up to the second?

Because it seems to me that the latter is compatible with what I expect.
If a function vanishes as [itex]b^{2\ell-1}[/itex], it is zero to second order, provided that [itex]\ell>1[/itex], which in my case is (as I say, I'd like to find an analytic expression for [itex]F[/itex] in the limit [itex]\ell \gg 1[/itex]).
I mean, the first nonzero contribution is of order [itex]{2\ell-1}[/itex].

I expect that behavior because [itex]F(b,\ell) b^{1-2\ell}[/itex] is a known constant for [itex]b=0[/itex]. I can check this behavior numerically, although for very small [itex]b[/itex] the calculations become very imprecise due to roundoff (or poor programming).

Thanks again
-F
 

Related to How can I evaluate a tricky Euler-Maclaurin sum involving hyperbolic functions?

1. What is a Tricky Euler-Maclaurin sum?

A Tricky Euler-Maclaurin sum is a mathematical method for approximating the sum of a series of numbers. It is a more complex version of the Euler-Maclaurin sum, which uses calculus to find the sum of a series.

2. How is a Tricky Euler-Maclaurin sum different from a regular Euler-Maclaurin sum?

A Tricky Euler-Maclaurin sum involves an additional step of manipulating the original series to make it easier to calculate the sum. This step involves using a combination of algebra and calculus to transform the series into a form that can be solved using the Euler-Maclaurin formula.

3. What is the benefit of using a Tricky Euler-Maclaurin sum?

A Tricky Euler-Maclaurin sum can provide a more accurate approximation of the sum of a series compared to a regular Euler-Maclaurin sum. This is because it takes into account the specific characteristics and patterns of the given series, resulting in a more precise calculation.

4. When is it useful to use a Tricky Euler-Maclaurin sum?

A Tricky Euler-Maclaurin sum is useful when dealing with complex series that cannot be easily solved using traditional methods. It is particularly helpful in situations where a high level of accuracy is required or when dealing with infinite series.

5. Are there any limitations to using a Tricky Euler-Maclaurin sum?

While a Tricky Euler-Maclaurin sum can provide more accurate results than a regular Euler-Maclaurin sum, it is not a foolproof method. It may not work for all types of series, and the resulting approximation may still contain some error. Additionally, it requires a strong understanding of calculus and algebra to implement effectively.

Similar threads

  • High Energy, Nuclear, Particle Physics
Replies
1
Views
1K
Replies
2
Views
1K
  • Set Theory, Logic, Probability, Statistics
Replies
1
Views
838
Replies
3
Views
1K
  • Math POTW for University Students
Replies
3
Views
630
  • Topology and Analysis
Replies
4
Views
2K
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • MATLAB, Maple, Mathematica, LaTeX
Replies
7
Views
2K
Replies
1
Views
1K
Replies
1
Views
1K
Back
Top