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TENYEARS
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Radagast, I recommend the movie "Cirlce Of Iron".
Originally posted by radagast
Just as well, it doesn't take a lot of experience to realize when someone's verbally defensive. In an online situation, that is an excellent example of one's ego shining thru. What else would lead a person to defend a position The person wanting the truth to be the predominate result!- when nothing serious would occur from a lack of defense. Not really true as, a lie may be left standing, that is unacceptable at this point in the pathway that, by God's Grace, I must follow. (by being led)
When you ask for examples, that, by itself, is a defensive act. Think about it. When it really comes down to it, why would you care whether we think your enlightened or not, NO, but I do care about the "Truth", and how that is presented to people as that is all they have to learn from, and, as the learning is the important part, I would prefer to (attempt) do that well, if possible. yet you still manage to brave a written defense.
One thing you state really strikes to the heart of the matter. Judgement. Unbidden, when one person is judging another's actions/words/position, that, in and of itself, is an obvious act of ego. Hence the next quotation, from you, you starting in the excersize of judgment, the second one, followed by your first one... The persons I've known that were much closer to enlightenment than I am (or likely ever will be) are about as non-judgmental as they come.
Originally posted by radagast
While it is my judgement, it is one I tend to trust. As for training, it do that quite regularly, both alone and with Buddhist monks. Being around them I do get the feel for the clarity or calmness that I, as a 'non-enlightened being' would expect sense around, and as part of, an enlightened individual. I have had, what I believe to be, an enlightenment experience (satori), so I feel I've got at least some grounding in forming a judgement in the area.
Originally posted by radagast
No insult intended, RP, but using the definition of Enlightenment typical of Buddhism, I'd have to lean toward agreeing with ENtropy. Loss of ego is extremely typical of enlightened individuals. Even people that are practicing toward that are a lot like that - they will almost never be seen in an argument or debate. Just your last response would have been extremely atypical of an enlightened person.
Originally posted by TENYEARS
Radagast, I recommend the movie "Cirlce Of Iron".
Originally posted by eNtRoPy
(SNIP) illegally camped tent (SNoP)
Originally posted by Mr. Robin Parsons
Curiousity? where did you get this idea from? the idea that my camping situation is "illegal"?
Originally posted by eNtRopY
It's just a play on words. By a strategic placement of a single adjective, I can make you sound ten worse. I learned this technique from the public education system of America.
Why do you think I called Andy a 17 year old boy? Had I called him a 17 year old man, then you would have sounded less like the homosexual pedophile that you may (or may not) be. Of course, human nature is to always assume the worst of a person. So you can see how easy it is for me to capitalize on this fact as well. Yes, I also learned technique from the American public education system.
We rule!
eNtRopY
Originally posted by eNtRopY
How am I lying? (Opening your mouth, seems to work!) You still haven't proven to any of us that you are not a homosexual pedophile OR that you saved the Canadian government $40,000,000 OR that you have such a profound understanding of gravity that you are constantly on the run from American G-men who want to destroy the potentially dangerous information in your head OR that you are enlightened.
eNtRopY
Originally posted by Mr. Robin Parsons
And I have abolutely no need to prove anything to you.
Originally posted by eNtRopY
You have no need to lie to us either, yet that doesn't stop you.
eNtRopY
Originally posted by radagast
My original post seems to have been eaten by the system... Computers, got to love em.
Mr. P, Yes, I have made a judgement - having never claimed to be enlightened, this would be consistent with my current state of being.
Could I be incorrect, yes. I only have what I've seen to base my judgements on, so on that limited information have have made a judgement call. And your subsequent words didn't dissuade me from my original position.
Perhaps you are one of the few people in history to actually be enlightened. I've only heard of two that I considered enlightened in the last 2500 years (based on their words and actions), perhaps you're number 3. Imagine getting to sesshin and telling everyone that I got to talk to an enlightened person - the next Buddha.
And I was there!
Originally posted by Mr. Robin Parsons
I agree, that kind of enlightenment is really really rare on the face of the planet, but it still occurs.
Whether, or not, this is achievable, in my lifetime, is something that is between myself, and my creator. Clearly, to me, it wouldn't, and cannot, occur, save for the blessings of that creator being given to such result.
Praise be to God!
Originally posted by Mr. Robin Parsons
Praise be to God!
Originally posted by eNtRopY
Although, the Zen philosophy doesn't address the issue of whether or not God exists, when you get right down to it, every great Zen master was an athiest.
eNtRopY
Originally posted by TENYEARS
Zen, christian, american indian, voodoo, science, santa claus does not address anything. Individuals address the truth not a building, a computer a group of people or whatever relative objects one needs to define to grope for some meaning. The truth exists in one place and one place alone. You may call it every nowhere or nowhere everywhere, but in the end if it aint in mud it isn't anywhere.
Perhaps his perception of being, or having become "enlightened" was simply a self-deception, as I, personally, have not found the pathway (my own) to be a miserable one, just that some of the people that I have had to deal with, along that pathway, have definitely tried to make it that!Originally posted by quartodeciman
Then there was the zen monk who declared: "Now that I have become enlightened, I am just as miserable as I ever was. Ha! Ha!"
OK, but I would rather surpass "zenlike", xazen and beyoooond!Originally posted by quartodeciman
I rather enjoy thinking he is right on target, and it sounds very zenlike.
Uuuuh, no, I meant Xazen, means; "beyond Zen!"Originally posted by quartodeciman
(SNIP) You probably meant zazen-- jes' sittin' thar, thinkin' nuttin'. (SNoP)
The manner in which I express it, is the manner in which it was taught to me, hence out of respect for that which "teaches"(taught) me, I stick with what I knowOriginally posted by radagast
If you meant to have it in Japanese, then shouldn't that be chozen to mean 'beyond zen'?
If the question is towards me, I have no idea!Originally posted by radagast
Just as a point of curiosity (not being fluent in Japanese), does that mean 'Xazen' is Japanese?