Groups - Internal Direct Product

In summary, the conversation discusses a problem involving subgroups and normal subgroups in a group G. The first part is a discussion about proving that two subgroups, A and B, are normal in G. The second part involves proving that the direct product of A and B is equal to G, and the third part discusses how to modify a matrix in G using a matrix in B. There is also a discussion about the intersection of A and B and how to prove that G is the internal direct product of A and B.
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Homework Statement



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[itex]<[/itex] denotes a subgroup.
[itex]\triangleleft[/itex] denotes a normal subgroup.

The Attempt at a Solution



Have I done (a) correctly?

[itex]0 \in A[/itex] so [itex]A \neq \emptyset[/itex]

If [itex]a=x+ix[/itex] and [itex]b=y+iy[/itex]

then [itex]ab^{-1} = x-y + ix - iy = x-y + i(x-y) \in A[/itex]

[itex]\therefore A < G[/itex]

Again [itex]0 \in B[/itex] so [itex]B \neq \emptyset[/itex]

If [itex]c=x+ix[/itex] and [itex]d=y+iy[/itex]

then [itex]cd^{-1} = x-y - ix - iy = x-y - i(x+y) \in B[/itex]

[itex]\therefore B < G[/itex]

If [itex]g=x+iy \in G[/itex] and [itex]a=c+ic \in A[/itex]

then [itex]gag^{-1} = x+iy + c+ic -x-iy = c+ic \in A[/itex]

[itex]\therefore A \triangleleft G[/itex]

If [itex]b=c-ic \in B[/itex]

then [itex]gbg^{-1} = x+iy + c-ic -x-iy = c-ic \in B[/itex]

[itex]\therefore B \triangleleft G[/itex]

It is clear that [itex]A \cap B = \{0\}[/itex] .

If [itex]a=c+ic \in A[/itex] and [itex]b=d-id \in B[/itex]

than [itex]ab = c+ic +d-id = c+d + i(c-d)[/itex]

so if [itex]g=x+iy \in G[/itex] then [itex]g=ab[/itex] with [itex]x=c+d \in \mathbb{R}[/itex] and [itex]y=c-d \in \mathbb{R}[/itex]

[itex]\therefore G=AB[/itex] and G is the internal direct product of A and B.

Can anyone help with (b)?
 
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For part (a), you don't need to do a calculation to prove that [tex]A[/tex] and [tex]B[/tex] are normal in [tex]G[/tex]; you could simply observe that [tex]G[/tex] is abelian so all its subgroups are normal.

Also, your proof that [tex]AB = G[/tex] has the right idea but is phrased wrong. You need to put it in the form: given [tex]g = x + iy \in G[/tex], I exhibit the following [tex]a = c + ic \in A[/tex] and [tex]b = d - id \in B[/tex] so that [tex]g = ab[/tex], namely: (insert computation of [tex]c, d[/tex] in terms of [tex]x, y[/tex] here). The way you phrased it above, it proves that [tex]AB \subset G[/tex], which is obvious; you need to prove that [tex]AB[/tex] is all of [tex]G[/tex].

For part (b), think about how you can modify the determinant of a matrix in [tex]G[/tex] using a matrix in [tex]B[/tex].
 
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ystael said:
For part (a), you don't need to do a calculation to prove that [tex]A[/tex] and [tex]B[/tex] are normal in [tex]G[/tex]; you could simply observe that [tex]G[/tex] is abelian so all its subgroups are normal.

Also, your proof that [tex]AB = G[/tex] has the right idea but is phrased wrong. You need to put it in the form: given [tex]g = x + iy \in G[/tex], I exhibit the following [tex]a = c + ic \in A[/tex] and [tex]b = d - id \in B[/tex] so that [tex]g = ab[/tex], namely: (insert computation of [tex]c, d[/tex] in terms of [tex]x, y[/tex] here). The way you phrased it above, it proves that [tex]AB \subset G[/tex], which is obvious; you need to prove that [tex]AB[/tex] is all of [tex]G[/tex].

For part (b), think about how you can modify the determinant of a matrix in [tex]G[/tex] using a matrix in [tex]B[/tex].

So [itex]c=\frac{x+y}{2}[/itex] and [itex]\frac{x-y}{2}[/itex] then [itex]g=ab[/itex] .

For part (b) to prove that [itex]A<G[/itex], I can say that:

A [itex](2n+1) \times (2n+1)[/itex] matrix is invertible if and only if it has non-zero determinant so [itex]A \subset G[/itex].

Furthermore, A is non-empty since [itex]I_{2n+1} \in A[/itex] since [itex]\text{det}(I_{2n+1})=1[/itex].

To prove that [itex]CD^{-1} \in A[/itex] for all [itex]C,D \in A[/itex] is this correct?:

Let [itex]C,D \in A[/itex]. Then det(C)=det(D)=1. Now by the properties of determinants,

[itex]\text{det}(CD^{-1}) = \text{det}(C)\text{det}(D^{-1}) = \frac{\text{det}(C)}{\text{det}(D)} = \frac{1}{1} = 1 [/itex] .

So [itex]CD^{-1} \in A[/itex] and A<G.

Now suppose [itex]P \in G[/itex] and [itex]Q \in A[/itex]

Then [itex]\text{det}(PQP^{-1}) = \text{det}(P)\text{det}(Q)\text{det}(P^{-1}) = \text{det}(P)\text{det}(Q)\text{det}(P)^{-1} = \text{det}(Q) = 1[/itex] .

Therefore [itex]A \triangleleft G[/itex] .

Now [itex]B \neq \emptyset[/itex] since [itex]I\in B[/itex] (set u=1) .

If [itex]U = \begin{bmatrix}u & 0 & \ldots & 0 \\ 0 & u & \ldots & 0 \\ \vdots & \vdots & \ddots & \vdots\\0 & 0 &\ldots & u\end{bmatrix} \in B[/itex] and If [itex]V = \begin{bmatrix}v & 0 & \ldots & 0 \\ 0 & v & \ldots & 0 \\ \vdots & \vdots & \ddots & \vdots\\0 & 0 &\ldots & v\end{bmatrix} \in B[/itex]

Then [itex]UV^{-1} = \begin{bmatrix}uv^{-1} & 0 & \ldots & 0 \\ 0 & uv^{-1} & \ldots & 0 \\ \vdots & \vdots & \ddots & \vdots\\0 & 0 &\ldots & uv^{-1}\end{bmatrix} \in B[/itex]

so that [itex]B < G[/itex] .

If [itex]P\in G[/itex] is a [itex](2n+1) \times (2n+1)[/itex] matrix of the same size of U with arbitrary entries then [itex]UP=PU[/itex] and it follows that [itex]PUP^{-1} = U[/itex] . Hence [itex]B \triangleleft G[/itex] .

Now since [itex]\text{det}(U) = u^{2n+1}[/itex] and [itex]u\neq 0[/itex] it follows that if [itex]U \in A[/itex] then [itex]u=1[/itex] .

Therefore [itex]A \cap B = \{1\}=[/itex] .

Let [itex]\text{det}(P) = r \neq 0[/itex]

Then P = [The matrix P with every element divided by [itex]\sqrt{r}[/itex] ] \begin{bmatrix}\sqrt{r} & 0 & \ldots & 0 \\ 0 & \sqrt{r} & \ldots & 0 \\ \vdots & \vdots & \ddots & \vdots\\0 & 0 &\ldots & \sqrt{r} \end{bmatrix} = QU[/itex]

We have [itex]Q \in A[/itex] for [itex]\text{det}(Q)= \frac{\text{det}(P)}{r} = 1[/itex] and [itex]U \in B[/itex].

Therefore [itex]G=AB[/itex] and G is the internal direct product of A and B.
 
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Related to Groups - Internal Direct Product

1. What is an internal direct product in group theory?

An internal direct product is a way of combining two subgroups of a group to form a new subgroup. It is denoted by the symbol ⋆ and is similar to the Cartesian product of sets.

2. How is the internal direct product different from the external direct product?

The internal direct product involves combining two subgroups within the same group, while the external direct product involves combining two different groups to form a new group.

3. What are the conditions for an internal direct product to exist?

For an internal direct product to exist, the two subgroups being combined must satisfy certain conditions. These include being normal subgroups, having trivial intersection, and generating the entire group when combined.

4. How is the internal direct product related to direct sum of vector spaces?

The internal direct product is closely related to the direct sum of vector spaces in linear algebra. Both involve combining subspaces in a way that preserves their individual structures and results in a larger space.

5. What are some real-world applications of the internal direct product?

The internal direct product has many applications in fields such as physics, chemistry, and computer science. It is used to model the symmetries and interactions of particles in physics, understand the structure of molecules in chemistry, and in coding theory for error correction in computer science.

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