Green's first identity at the boundary

In summary, the Green's identity requires the integrated function to be smooth and continuous in the integration region. However, if the function is only discontinuous at the boundary, it can still be used by defining the region as open and using the appropriate surface divergence. The boundary condition can be expressed as the difference between exterior and interior limit functions.
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Jeffrey Yang
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As required by the Green's identity, the integrated function has to be smooth and continuous in the integration region Ω.

How about if the function is just discontinuous at the boundary?

For example, I intend to make a volume integration of a product of electric fields, the field function is well-behaved in the volume but discontinue at the boundary (for the normal component of the field) due to a difference of permitivity occurs.

In this case, can I still use the Green's first identity?
If I can, what kind of surface divergence I should use at the boundary?

Thanks for your help
 
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If your function is only discontinuous on the boundary, then I am pretty sure you can define your region Omega as the open region not including the boundary.
To determine the divergence, I have seen it done using:
## \hat n \times ( \vec H_1 - \vec H_2 ) = \vec J ,## with ##\hat n ## the unit normal to the surface pointing into region 1 and ##\vec J## the current present on the boundary described by ##f##.
Then, defining exterior and interior limit functions:
##
\begin{align*} w_e (x) &= \lim_{p \to x} w(p) \quad p \text{ exterior to } \partial \Omega,\\

w_i (x) &= \lim_{q \to x} w(q) \quad q \text{ interior to } \partial \Omega.

\end{align*}
##
Thus, the boundary condition is expressed as:

## \frac{\partial w_e}{\partial n} - \frac{\partial w_i}{\partial n}= f(x) \qquad \text{ for } x \in \partial \Omega.##
 
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RUber said:
If your function is only discontinuous on the boundary, then I am pretty sure you can define your region Omega as the open region not including the boundary.
To determine the divergence, I have seen it done using:
## \hat n \times ( \vec H_1 - \vec H_2 ) = \vec J ,## with ##\hat n ## the unit normal to the surface pointing into region 1 and ##\vec J## the current present on the boundary described by ##f##.
Then, defining exterior and interior limit functions:
##
\begin{align*} w_e (x) &= \lim_{p \to x} w(p) \quad p \text{ exterior to } \partial \Omega,\\

w_i (x) &= \lim_{q \to x} w(q) \quad q \text{ interior to } \partial \Omega.

\end{align*}
##
Thus, the boundary condition is expressed as:

## \frac{\partial w_e}{\partial n} - \frac{\partial w_i}{\partial n}= f(x) \qquad \text{ for } x \in \partial \Omega.##

Thanks to your reply

Em...Exactly same to what I'm thinking about. Although the function is discontinuous at the boundary, that doesn't mean this differential result is not well behaved. Then we should be able to extend the function safely and then use the Green's identity.
 

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Green's first identity at the boundary is a mathematical equation that relates the values of a function and its derivatives on the boundary of a region to the values and derivatives inside the region. It is used in the field of calculus and is named after the mathematician George Green.

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