Get Help with Initial Value Problem: Solving xy' + 6y = 3xy^3 Equation

In summary, the conversation discusses an initial value problem involving a differential equation with variables that need to be separated. The suggested approach is to divide everything by x and then isolate the y' term, but the person later realizes that the equation may not be separable. They then suggest using Bernoulli's equation and provide a solution, although they are unsure if it is correct.
  • #1
Pengwuino
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I have a initial value problem that I have no idea how to start! Ahhh :(

The equation is:

[tex]xy' + 6y = 3xy^3 [/tex]

How do I start? I have no idea! ahhh :cry: I don't like DE's!
 
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  • #2
Seperation of vaiables.
 
  • #3
Pengwuino said:
I have a initial value problem that I have no idea how to start! Ahhh :(

The equation is:

[tex]xy' + 6y = 3xy^3 [/tex]

How do I start? I have no idea! ahhh :cry: I don't like DE's!

I can give you a link that should help, but I can't explain it very well because I'm still learning this too. Start by dividing everything by x then check out this link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernoulli_differential_equation
 
  • #4
NINHARDCOREFAN said:
Seperation of vaiables.

I'm pretty sure that isn't going to work on this equation.

OK I was wrong it'll work it just wasn't obvious to me at first sorry.
 
  • #5
So all x and y variables will be seperated? I can't seem to get them to seperate...
 
  • #6
Pengwuino said:
So all x and y variables will be seperated? I can't seem to get them to seperate...

Try dividing everything by y and then isolating the y' term that might make it more obvious.
 
  • #7
Can i even do this?

[tex]\begin{array}{l}
\frac{{xy' + 6y}}{y} = \frac{{3xy^3 }}{y} \\
\frac{{xy'}}{y} + 6 = 3xy^2 \\
\frac{{xy'}}{y} = 3xy^2 \\
xy' = 3xy^3 \\
y' = 3y^3 \\
\frac{{dy}}{{dx}} = 3y^3 \\
\frac{{dy}}{{3y^3 dx}} = 1 \\
\frac{1}{{3y^3 }}dy = dx \\
\end{array}[/tex]

If that's the case, I guess i know exactly what to do next!
 
  • #8
Pengwuino said:
Can i even do this?

[tex]\begin{array}{l}
\frac{{xy' + 6y}}{y} = \frac{{3xy^3 }}{y} \\
\frac{{xy'}}{y} + 6 = 3xy^2 \\
\frac{{xy'}}{y} = 3xy^2 \\
xy' = 3xy^3 \\
y' = 3y^3 \\
\frac{{dy}}{{dx}} = 3y^3 \\
\frac{{dy}}{{3y^3 dx}} = 1 \\
\frac{1}{{3y^3 }}dy = dx \\
\end{array}[/tex]

If that's the case, I guess i know exactly what to do next!

You dropped a 6 out somewhere in teh middle and I realized that I screwed up when I tried to separate the variables so I guess it isn't separable after all, try the method in the link I posted above.
 
  • #9
Wow i still can't get this...
 
  • #10
[tex] y' + \frac{6y}{x} = 3 y^3 [/tex]

divide by [tex] y^3 [/tex]

[tex] y'y^{-3} + \frac{6y^-2}{x} = 3 [/tex]

Make a change of variables:

[tex] w = \frac{1}{y^2} [/tex]

and

[tex] w' = \frac{1-3}{y^3} y' = \frac{-2}{y^3} y' [/tex]



This leads to:

[tex] - \frac{w'}{2} + \frac{6w}{x} = 3[/tex]

we-write this in standard form:

[tex] \frac{dw}{dx} - \frac{12w}{x} = -6 [/tex]

solve using an integrating factor of:

[tex] M(x) = e^{\int P(x)dx } = e^{\int \frac{-12}{x}dx} = e^{-12ln(x)} = x^{-12}[/tex]

multiply both sides by M(x):

[tex] \frac{w'}{x^{-12}} - \frac{12w}{x^{-13}} = -\frac{6}{x^{-12}} [/tex]

but that is equal to:

[tex] \frac { d( \frac{w} {x^{-12}})} {dx} = -\frac{6}{x^{-12}} [/tex]

integrate both sides:

[tex] \frac{w} {x^{-12}} = \frac {6}{11} x^{-11} + c [/tex]

Solve in terms of w:

[tex] w = \frac{6}{11} x + cx^{12} [/tex]

Now plug back in for w:

[tex] \frac{1}{y^2} = \frac{6}{11} x + cx^{12} [/tex]
 
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Now i got to figure out how to even use Bernoulli's equation.
 
  • #12
Ok, I hope the anwser is correct. I probably have some mistakes in there. I am REALLY TIRED right now, and I HAVE to go to sleep. Please check it over someone:

The solution is:

[tex] \frac{1}{y^2} = \frac{6}{11} x + cx^{12} [/tex]
 

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1. What is an initial value problem?

An initial value problem is a type of differential equation that involves finding a function or curve that satisfies a given set of conditions, usually involving an initial value for the function and its derivative.

2. How do you solve an initial value problem?

To solve an initial value problem, you need to first find the general solution of the differential equation. Then, you can use the initial conditions to find the particular solution that satisfies both the equation and the initial values.

3. What is the method of separation of variables?

The method of separation of variables is a technique used to solve differential equations, particularly those that can be expressed in the form of dy/dx = f(x)g(y). The method involves separating the variables x and y, and then integrating both sides to find the solution.

4. How do you solve initial value problems with non-constant coefficients?

To solve initial value problems with non-constant coefficients, you can use the method of variation of parameters. This involves finding a particular solution of the differential equation by assuming that the coefficients are functions of the independent variable, and then using this solution to find the general solution.

5. What is the significance of initial value problems in science?

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