Finding frequency of moving sources with beats

In summary, Jane is waiting on a railroad platform for two trains approaching at equal speeds. She hears beats of frequency 6.00 Hz when one train is some distance behind the other. Using the equations 1) fb = | f1 - f2 |, 2) f1 = f * (v/(v-vs)), and 3) f2 = f * (v/(v+vs)), where v is the speed of sound and vs is the speed of the source, the frequency of the train whistles can be calculated to be 90.2 Hz. However, this frequency is not realistic and indicates a mistake in the given data.
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Homework Statement



Jane waits on a railroad platform while two trains approach from the same direction at equal speeds of 11 m/s. Both trains are blowing their whistles (which have the same frequency), and one train is some distance behind the other. After the first train passes Jane but before the second train passes her, she hears beats of frequency 6.00 Hz. What is the frequency of the train whistles? (Use 331 m/s as the speed of sound.)

Homework Equations



1) fb = | f1 - f2 |

where fb is the frequency of the beats.

2) f1 = f * (v/ (v-vs) )

3) f2 = f * (v/ (v+vs))

where v is the speed of sound
and vs is the speed of the source

equation 2 is for the source moving towards Jane, and equation 3 is for the source moving away from Jane.

The Attempt at a Solution



fb = | f1 - f2 |

-- Sub in equation 2 and 3 --

fb = | f * ( v / (v-vs) ) - f * ( v / (v+vs) )

-- Solve for f --

fb = | f * (2v*vs) / (v^2 - vs^2) |

-- Term in absolute value always positive since v >> vs --

f = fb [ (2v*vs) / (v^2 - vs^2 ) ]^(-1)

f = 90.2Hz

This just doesn't seem like a good answer. There's no way any train would use such a low pitch whistle, I can't even hear it on my computer at max volume. Are there any mistakes in my work? Is there perhaps a different way to solve this?

P.S. I will work on making the equations more tidy in the future, perhaps learning how to use LATEX or something along those lines. Thanks for your patience.
 
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Your solution is correct, good job! The data were not realistic, the beat frequency should have been higher.
 
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Thanks.
 

What is the concept behind finding frequency of moving sources with beats?

The concept behind finding frequency of moving sources with beats is based on the phenomenon of beats. When two sound waves with slightly different frequencies overlap, they create a pulsating pattern of sound known as beats. By measuring the frequency of these beats, we can determine the frequency of the moving source that is producing the sound waves.

How does the Doppler effect play a role in finding the frequency of moving sources with beats?

The Doppler effect is the change in frequency of a sound wave as the source of the sound moves towards or away from an observer. This effect is crucial in finding the frequency of moving sources with beats because as the source moves, the frequency of the sound waves it produces changes. By measuring the frequency of the beats, we can calculate the frequency of the moving source.

What equipment is needed to measure the frequency of moving sources with beats?

To measure the frequency of moving sources with beats, you will need a sound source, such as a speaker, and a detector, such as a microphone. You will also need a device to record and analyze the sound waves, such as a computer or a frequency meter. Additionally, you may need a moving platform or a device to simulate the movement of the source.

What are the limitations of using beats to find the frequency of moving sources?

One limitation of using beats to find the frequency of moving sources is that it only works for sources that are moving at a constant speed. If the source is accelerating or decelerating, the frequency of the beats will not accurately represent the frequency of the source. Additionally, this method is most accurate for sources that are moving in a straight line and at a constant distance from the detector.

What are some real-world applications of finding frequency of moving sources with beats?

One real-world application of finding frequency of moving sources with beats is in radar technology. Radar systems use the Doppler effect to detect the speed and direction of moving objects, such as airplanes and cars. Another application is in astronomy, where this method can be used to measure the speed and direction of stars and other celestial bodies. This technique can also be used in medical imaging, such as ultrasound, to detect the movement of blood flow in the body.

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