Expectation value using ladder operators

In summary, the conversation discusses using the relation between the position operator squared and the ladder operators to determine the expectation value for the ground state of a simple harmonic well. The individual presents their attempt at a solution and asks for clarification on whether their treatment is correct. Another individual confirms that the result is correct and provides further explanation on the use of the number operator in this context.
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I wonder if someone could examine my argument for the following problem.

Homework Statement



Using the relation

[tex]\widehat{x}^{2} = \frac{\hbar}{2m\omega}(\widehat{A}^{2} + (\widehat{A}^{+})^{2} + \widehat{A}^{+}\widehat{A} + \widehat{A}\widehat{A}^{+} )[/tex]

and properties of the ladder operators, determine the expectation value [tex]<\widehat{x}^{2}>[/tex] for the ground state of the simple harmonic well.

The Attempt at a Solution



[tex]<\widehat{x}^{2}> = \frac{\hbar}{2m\omega}\int^{+\infty}_{-\infty}u_{0}^{*}(\widehat{A}^{2} + (\widehat{A}^{+})^{2} + \widehat{A}^{+}\widehat{A} + \widehat{A}\widehat{A}^{+} )u_{0}.dx[/tex]

I then argue

[tex]
\left[ \widehat{A},\widehat{A}^{+}\right] = \widehat{A}\widehat{A}^{+} - \widehat{A}^{+}\widehat{A} = 1
[/tex]
[tex]
\Rightarrow \widehat{A}\widehat{A}^{+} = 1 + \widehat{A}^{+}\widehat{A}
\Rightarrow \widehat{A}^{2} + (\widehat{A}^{+})^{2} + \widehat{A}^{+}\widehat{A} + \widehat{A}\widehat{A}^{+} = \widehat{A}^{2} + (\widehat{A}^{+})^{2} + 2\widehat{A}^{+}\widehat{A} + 1 = \widehat{A}^{2} + (\widehat{A}^{+})^{2} + 2n + 1 = \widehat{A}^{2} + (\widehat{A}^{+})^{2} + 1
[/tex]

I am not quite clear if it is right that [tex]\widehat{A}^{+}\widehat{A}[/tex] is equal to n (the eigenfunction number), which is zero here. Could someone comment on that, and on whether or not my treatment above is ok?

Well, if this is true, then

[tex]<\widehat{x}^{2}> = \frac{\hbar}{2m\omega}\int^{+\infty}_{-\infty}u_{0}^{*}( \widehat{A}^{2} + (\widehat{A}^{+})^{2} + 1)u_{0}.dx[/tex]

and by exploiting the orthonormal properties, I argue that the first two integrals are zero (you have one eigenfunction multiplied by another and integrated over infinity), but the third integral is 1, and then

[tex]<\widehat{x}^{2}> = \frac{\hbar}{2m\omega}[/tex]

Cheers!
 
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[tex]A^\dagger A[/tex] is indeed the number operator, as
[tex]A^\dagger A |n> = A^\dagger \sqrt{n} |n-1> = n |n>[/tex]


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Related to Expectation value using ladder operators

1. What is the concept of expectation value in quantum mechanics?

The expectation value in quantum mechanics is the average value of a physical quantity that is obtained from a large number of measurements on a quantum system. It is calculated by taking the inner product of the state vector with the operator corresponding to the physical quantity.

2. How are ladder operators used to calculate the expectation value?

Ladder operators are used in quantum mechanics to determine the expectation value of a physical quantity. They are operators that act on the state vector and "raise" or "lower" it to a new state with a different eigenvalue. The expectation value is then calculated by taking the inner product of the new state with the operator.

3. Can expectation values be negative?

Yes, expectation values can be negative in quantum mechanics. This is because they represent the average value of a physical quantity and do not necessarily correspond to a physically measurable value. In some cases, the expectation value may be negative due to interference effects.

4. How does the uncertainty principle relate to expectation values?

The uncertainty principle states that it is impossible to know the exact values of certain pairs of physical quantities simultaneously. This is reflected in the expectation values, as the product of the uncertainties in two non-commuting operators is greater than or equal to the square of the expectation value of their commutator.

5. How does the concept of expectation value extend to multi-particle systems?

In multi-particle systems, the expectation value is calculated using the tensor product of the state vectors and operators for each individual particle. This allows for the calculation of the expectation value of a physical quantity for the entire system, taking into account the correlations between the particles.

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