Equation: √(x+13) - √(7-x) = 2

  • MHB
  • Thread starter SweatingBear
  • Start date
In summary, the conversation discusses solving an equation for $x \in \mathbb{R}$ and the process of finding extraneous solutions. The conversation highlights the importance of checking solutions in the original equation to avoid extraneous solutions. It also mentions the use of interval restrictions and the need for transformations using equivalences in solving equations.
  • #1
SweatingBear
119
0
We are solving the equation below for \(\displaystyle x \in \mathbb{R}\).

\(\displaystyle \sqrt{x+13} - \sqrt{7-x} = 2 \, .\)

If \(\displaystyle x \in \mathbb{R}\) then we must require that

\(\displaystyle \begin{cases}
x+13 \geqslant 0 & \iff & x \geqslant -13 \\
7-x \geqslant 0 & \iff & x \leqslant 7
\end{cases}\)

Moreover, if we rewrite equation as \(\displaystyle \sqrt{x+13} = 2 + \sqrt{7-x}\), the right-hand side must in fact be greater than or equal to zero (since the output of \(\displaystyle \sqrt{x+13}\) is greater than or equal to zero). Thus

\(\displaystyle 2 + \sqrt{7-x} \geqslant 0 \iff \sqrt{7-x} \geqslant -2 \, .\)

but \(\displaystyle \sqrt{7-x} \geqslant -2 \ , \ \forall x \in \mathbb{R}\) so no further restriction on \(\displaystyle x\) could be derived.

We could rewrite the equation as \(\displaystyle \sqrt{7-x} = \sqrt{x+13} - 2\) and apply a similar reasoning about the output of the square root function. We must require \(\displaystyle \sqrt{x+13} - 2 \geqslant 0\).

\(\displaystyle \sqrt{x+13} -2 \geqslant 0 \iff \sqrt{x+13} \geqslant 2 \iff x+13 \geqslant 4 \iff x \geqslant -9 \, .\)

So, the restrictions we have on \(\displaystyle x\) thus far are

\(\displaystyle (x \geqslant -13) \wedge (x \leqslant 7) \wedge (x\geqslant -9) \implies -9 \leqslant x \leqslant 7 \, .\)

Solving the aforementioned equation by squaring a few times and using the quadratic formula yields the roots \(\displaystyle x_1 = 3\) and \(\displaystyle x_2 = -9\), and since we were able to find an interval for \(\displaystyle x\), \(\displaystyle -9\leqslant x \leqslant 7\), we see that both of these roots lie within the interval (and therefore both ought to be correct).

Here's the problem: \(\displaystyle x_1 = -9\) is an extraneous solution. Where did I go wrong? I have redone the algebra multiple times and even resorted to computational engines, and it still turns out that \(\displaystyle -9\) is a false root. Where is the flaw in my argument?
 
Mathematics news on Phys.org
  • #2
There is no flaw in your argument, and the "solution" $x=-9$ is indeed extraneous. You can see how it occurs if you put $x=-9$ in the original equation, which then becomes $\sqrt4 - \sqrt{16} = 2$. If you take the negative square root of $4$, and also the negative square root of $16$, then you get $(-2) - (-4) = 2$, which is correct. But it is conventional to use the notation $\sqrt{} $ to mean the positive square root, so this "solution" has to be rejected.

The only way to detect such extraneous solutions in problems like this is to check them in the original problem, which is just what you did.
 
  • #3
Yes but an idiosyncrasy of mine is that I do not think testing solutions is as elegant as being able to state an interval for the variable in question and thereby rule out incorrect solutions.

I do not understand why we are not able to restrict \(\displaystyle x\) into an interval with which we can discard extraneous solutions? It has worked for me just fine in other problems.
 
  • #4
sweatingbear said:
Yes but an idiosyncrasy of mine is that I do not think testing solutions is as elegant as being able to state an interval for the variable in question and thereby rule out incorrect solutions.

I do not understand why we are not able to restrict \(\displaystyle x\) into an interval with which we can discard extraneous solutions? It has worked for me just fine in other problems.

The problem comes because of squaring

x- y = z when squared we get (x-y)^2 = z^2 and this includes solution of x-y = - z. so extraneous solutions occur for these cases
 
  • #5
kaliprasad said:
The problem comes because of squaring

x- y = z when squared we get (x-y)^2 = z^2 and this includes solution of x-y = - z. so extraneous solutions occur for these cases

Yes I already understand the why of the origin of extraneous solutions, I just do not understand why I – in this case – was unable to state an interval for \(\displaystyle x\) from which I could have ruled out the extraneous root \(\displaystyle x = -9\). It has worked for me before, why would it not now? Certainly, this is equation is not some kind of a special case where this method fails?
 
  • #6
sweatingbear said:
I just do not understand why I – in this case – was unable to state an interval for \(\displaystyle x\) from which I could have ruled out the extraneous root \(\displaystyle x = -9\).
As kaliprasad said, the additional interval restriction on $x$ occurs during the transition from \[ \sqrt{x+13} - \sqrt{7-x} = 2\] to \[\left(\sqrt{x+13}-\sqrt{7-x}\right)^2=4\] This restriction is \[\sqrt{x+13} - \sqrt{7-x}\ge0 \iff \sqrt{x+13}\ge \sqrt{7-x} \iff -3\le x\le 7\]

It is important to understand that transformation we apply to equalities to solve them are not some magic operations given to us from above. If that were so, then our mathematics would resemble that of ancient Babylonians or Egyptians, which, I heard, was based on algorithms and not on proofs. As it is, the complete solution of an equation $E(x)=0$ must represent (or give rise to) a proof of the equivalence \[E(x)=0\iff x=x_1\text{ or }x=x_2\text{ or }\dots\text{ for all }x\]where $x_1,x_2,\dots$ are alleged roots. The easiest way to achieve this is to transform the equation using equivalences. Theorems needed to solve the original equation include
\begin{gather*}x=y\iff x^2=y^2\text{ and }x\text{ and }y\text{ have the same sign}\\ \left(\sqrt{x}\right)^2=x\text{ for }x\ge0\\ \sqrt{\strut x}\sqrt{\strut y}=\sqrt{\strut xy}\text{ for }x\ge0,y\ge0\\ \sqrt{x}\ge\sqrt{y}\iff x\ge y\ge0\end{gather*} The first of these theorems generates the additional requirement $x\ge-3$.
 
  • #7
@Evgeny.Makarov: Excellent answer, just the type I was looking for. Thanks a heap!
 

Related to Equation: √(x+13) - √(7-x) = 2

1. What is the solution to the equation √(x+13) - √(7-x) = 2?

The solution to this equation is x = 3.

2. How do you solve for x in the equation √(x+13) - √(7-x) = 2?

To solve for x, you can square both sides of the equation and simplify to get x = 3.

3. Can this equation have multiple solutions?

No, this equation only has one solution, which is x = 3.

4. Is this equation a quadratic equation?

No, this equation is not a quadratic equation because it does not contain a variable raised to the second power.

5. How can this equation be applied in real life situations?

This equation can be used to solve problems involving square roots, such as finding the length of a side in a right triangle or calculating the distance between two points on a coordinate plane.

Similar threads

Replies
4
Views
881
  • General Math
Replies
5
Views
2K
  • General Math
Replies
22
Views
648
Replies
7
Views
1K
  • General Math
2
Replies
45
Views
4K
Replies
1
Views
723
Replies
13
Views
3K
  • General Math
Replies
5
Views
2K
Back
Top