Doppler shift derivation from Lorentz Transformations

In summary, the conversation discusses the use of Lorentz transformations for energy to obtain the Doppler transformation for the frequency of a receding source. It is noted that the speed of electromagnetic radiation, represented by β, is not the same as the speed between the two reference frames, which may lead to incorrect calculations.
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RyanP
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Homework Statement


Show how one can obtain the Doppler transformation for the frequency of a receding
source just using the Lorentz transformations for the energy (where E=h).

Homework Equations


Relativistic transformations for momentum and energy:
E = γ(E' + vp'x)
pc/E = v/c = β

The Attempt at a Solution


E = γ(E' + vp'x)
since p = Eβ/c, E = γ(E' + Eβ2) = γE' (1+β2).

Which then would imply that = γ'(1+β2). But I have in my notes that the observed frequency = γ' (1-β). Where did I go wrong?
 
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The speed ##\beta = \frac{pc}{E} = 1## for electromagnetic radiation. It's not the same as ##v##, the speed between the two reference frames.
 
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vela said:
The speed ##\beta = \frac{pc}{E} = 1## for electromagnetic radiation. It's not the same as ##v##, the speed between the two reference frames.
That makes sense, thanks.
 

Related to Doppler shift derivation from Lorentz Transformations

1. What is the Doppler shift and how is it related to Lorentz transformations?

The Doppler shift is a phenomenon in which the frequency of a wave appears to change when the source of the wave is in motion relative to the observer. It is related to Lorentz transformations because these equations describe how time and space are affected by motion, and therefore can be used to calculate the observed frequency of a wave from a moving source.

2. How do you derive the Doppler shift equation using Lorentz transformations?

To derive the Doppler shift equation, we start with the Lorentz transformation equations for time and space, and then substitute in the formula for the observed frequency of a wave. This allows us to calculate the observed frequency in terms of the source frequency and the relative velocity between the source and observer.

3. What are the assumptions made in deriving the Doppler shift equation from Lorentz transformations?

The derivation of the Doppler shift equation from Lorentz transformations assumes that the source of the wave is moving at a constant velocity, that the observer is also moving at a constant velocity, and that the observer is not accelerating. It also assumes that the speed of light is constant in all reference frames.

4. Can the Doppler shift equation derived from Lorentz transformations be applied to all types of waves?

Yes, the Doppler shift equation derived from Lorentz transformations can be applied to all types of waves, including electromagnetic waves, sound waves, and other types of waves. This is because the equations of Lorentz transformations are based on the principles of relativity, which apply to all types of motion and waves.

5. Are there any limitations to using the Doppler shift equation derived from Lorentz transformations?

While the Doppler shift equation derived from Lorentz transformations is a useful tool for calculating the observed frequency of a wave, it does have limitations. It assumes that the source and observer are moving in a straight line relative to each other, and does not take into account any other forces or interactions that may affect the observed frequency. Additionally, it is only accurate for relative velocities that are much smaller than the speed of light.

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