Deriving AdS Poincare Coordinates from Global Coordinates

In summary, the conversation discusses the derivation of AdS Poincare coordinates from global coordinates, with the speaker suggesting that the transform was derived from 'guessing' a target metric. They go on to explain that the Poincare coordinates were obtained by solving a specific equation and setting certain variables to specific values. The speaker expresses a desire for a deeper understanding of the motivation behind these steps.
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Is there a straight-forward, motivated, derivation of AdS Poincare coordinates, e.g. as given here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-de_Sitter_space#Poincar.C3.A9_coordinates
starting from global coordinates, as given here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-de_Sitter_space#Global_coordinates
The coordinate transformations starting from global line element (in the wikipedia notation) ##ds^2 = \alpha^2(-\cosh^2 \rho d \tau^2 + d \rho^2 + \sinh^2 \rho d \Omega_{n-2}^2)## to ##ds^2 = \frac{\alpha^2}{z^2}(dz^2 + dx_{\mu} dx^{\mu})## seem to be pulled out of thin air, even in Zee's Gravity book - is there a simple straight-forward way to motivate the coordinate transformations?
 
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My guess would be that the transform was derived from 'guessing' a target metric. Generally, the gauge freedom in GR means that any of several broad families for metric forms (e.g. Gaussian, Riemann Normal, harmonic, etc.) can be specified for a patch of any manifold whatsoever. Then, a question becomes how large patch can they cover. So, without knowing the history, I would guess that, guided by these general types of metrics, someone guessed that the Poincare form was sufficiently general to capture quasilocal curvature, then derived explicit coordinate transformations to achieve this. If your guessed metric works (doesn't constrain the metric beyond what can be achieved by gauge freedom), you end up with differential equations for the transform that are, in principle solvable. Actually solving them will vary greatly in difficulty, depending on the particular case. Inspired guesswork typically plays a role.
 
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Zee (sort of) shows Poincare coordinates as coming from solving
$$(T^2 - X^2) + (W^2 - Y^2) = 1$$
for
$$W^- W^+ = (W - Y)(W + Y) = 1 + (X^2 - T^2)$$
and then setting ##X = x/w##, ##T = t/w## to find
$$W^- W^+ = 1 + \tfrac{x^2}{w^2} - \tfrac{t^2}{w^2} = \tfrac{1}{w}[w + \tfrac{1}{w}(x^2 - t^2)]$$
so that we can define
$$W^- = \tfrac{1}{w},$$
$$W^+ = w + \tfrac{1}{w}(x^2 - t^2).$$
Now from ##Y = W - 1/w## we get
$$W = \tfrac{1}{2}[\tfrac{1}{w} + w + \tfrac{1}{w}(x^2 - t^2)]$$
and from ##W = Y + 1/w## we get
$$Y = \tfrac{1}{2}[- \tfrac{1}{w} + w + \tfrac{1}{w}(x^2 - t^2)].$$
He calls these Poincare coordinates.

It would be great to have a really deep feeling for why one would even think to do any of this, and especially why one would want to set ##X = x/w##, ##T = t/w##, and ##W^- = \tfrac{1}{w}##.
 

Related to Deriving AdS Poincare Coordinates from Global Coordinates

1. What are AdS Poincare coordinates and how are they related to global coordinates?

AdS Poincare coordinates are a coordinate system used to describe the geometry of anti-de Sitter space, a type of curved spacetime often used in theoretical physics. They are related to global coordinates through a transformation that maps points in global coordinates to points in Poincare coordinates.

2. Why is it important to derive AdS Poincare coordinates from global coordinates?

Deriving AdS Poincare coordinates from global coordinates allows for a better understanding of the geometry of anti-de Sitter space and its properties. It also simplifies calculations and makes it easier to visualize and analyze physical phenomena in this type of spacetime.

3. How is the transformation from global coordinates to AdS Poincare coordinates performed?

The transformation involves a change of variables in the metric tensor that describes the geometry of anti-de Sitter space. This transformation is known as a coordinate transformation and it involves a set of equations that relate the two coordinate systems.

4. What are some applications of AdS Poincare coordinates?

AdS Poincare coordinates have been used in various areas of theoretical physics, including string theory, quantum field theory, and holography. They are also used in the study of black holes and the AdS/CFT correspondence, a conjectured relationship between anti-de Sitter space and conformal field theories.

5. Are there any limitations to using AdS Poincare coordinates?

While AdS Poincare coordinates are useful for understanding and analyzing certain physical phenomena, they may not be the most appropriate coordinate system for all situations. Other coordinate systems may be better suited for different types of calculations or for describing different aspects of anti-de Sitter space.

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